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Actually I thought it was quite good before you deleted it.

I would say "never argue with an imbecile, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

The war against Iraq was sanctioned by democratic process in this country, from a vote by parliament. It was also sanctioned in the USA by the US senate.

Your argument is pathetic.

There can be no grounds whatsoever to sympathise with anybody who feels they have to resort to sending explosive devices through the post. The only damage those devices will cause are to people - people. Not speed cameras. Not institutions. People with families and friends.

Handy is quite correct, the sentiment is sickening. I wouldn't even begin to think of typing 'its horrible but understandable' because I can never, in a million years, understand the reasoning and lack of morality in sending devices designed to kill or maim innocent people for doing a job which is quite legal.

Blow up a camera if you like, and I'd slap your back. Blow up a person? Its abhorrent, and a great deal of damage could be done to this campaign if a statement isn't issued that expresses that sentiment in clear concise language.

The worrying thing, whislt I agree wholeheartedly with Prof Beard, is that this will escalate and it will soon become seen as a 'legitimate' method of protest.

Lets face it, HMG ignored the outcry about poll tax, we then had the poll tax riots.

What does the future bring? Speed cam bombings, Inheritence tax riots?

I hope not but wouldn't be surprised.

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Gordon Brown saying I got the country into it's current economic mess so I'll get us out of it is the same as Bomber Harris nipping over to Dresden and offering to repair a few windows.

Chaos, panic and disorder - my work here is done.

http://www.wildcrafts.co.uk

does he do requests? I've got an address for camden "parking solutions".

seriously though, like said only a matter of time before people flip.

See the news the other day, the police are unable to secure a conviction in 95% of reported rapes, yet park for 2 minutes in contravention to a minor parking law where i live and there's a 95+% chance you'll be fined. and you won't have right of appeal like the rapist either, as you don't get a fair trial anyway.

It's a mockery of justice, and you can't expect people to keep respecting a system of law and order that fails them when they need it yet persecutes them with nazi efficiency for the most minor of pathetic "offences". And when people lose that respect they may decide to reclaim the liberties we give up to the system thats supposed to protect us.

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

There's a critical aspect of this that I disagree with.

If a group or organisation emerged to 'fight the government' in such a way, then you can call it 'alienation from the democratic process'. But when it's a single individual, representing no one, he's just a nutter.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

You miss my point - organised stuff is "collective". It may be in legal terms legitimate or not (eg terrorist groups are "collective" but not normally regarded as a good thing! The reason that exist, though may have valid basis even if their actions do not). Nevertheless alienation from the democratic process can be very much an individual thing, individuals can feel totally disempowered and crushed by forces outside their control. The alienation is very real, many will respond be seeking others who feel likewise, some will not. Thise who do not may react in "reasonable ways" others may "behave like nutters".

Example - at one point their was only one Paul Smith - you started a campaign - at what point did you change from nutter to reasonable? (Joke of course but a fair analogy). If instead of launching a campaign you had become a camera destroyer, many would have said you were a nutter, but many would have sympathised even whilst disapproving. If you had started sending people firebombs, people would have said you were a nutter and hopefully condemned your actions.

What I'm saying is the alienation is real for all of the above but the response ranges from essentially democratic, through the "individual direct action" to the "dangerous nutter". Hope you see what I mean.

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

condemned?

Correct! Ooops - have edited original - damn figers (sic) !

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

Yeah, I get it. The actions of the individual do not necessarily discredit the sentiment behind the actions, but they do discredit the individual.

To send a letter bomb is contemptable. Anyone who cannot see this, or indeed chooses to do it is a complete idiot. He deserves the strongest possible punishment!

That said The implacible punishment machine that islington elite have created has created a climate of immense frustration. We may be sensible, reasoned individuals but some out there are not.

Hence my comment. The SCP and the auto justice initiatives haven't saved any lives but they have created a source of resentment and a target for nutters!

As it happens a very close relative works in DVLA and was evacuated yesterday. The nutter who sent the bomb wouldn't have too much about the police had he hurt her. However, when did she sign up as a target for nutters as a result of gov't policy?

Unintended consequences!!!!!!!!

My comparisons between the actions of the idiots with parcel bombs and the idiots in charge of the UK and USA appear to have been misread.(Having spent several years a a bomb warden in govt premises i know how stressfull it can be)
Instead of inspiring some debate it appears to be a challenge to some to take comments the wrong way and then try to qualify/justify their comments . I'm not concerned , i just turn the other cheek, but JUST HOW MUCH HARM TO THE SS CAUSE does it do to have people slanging others ( in violation of rules, with no retribution). Bit like saying that we condone lawbreaking - which we don't.(And don't forget Kevin could be lurking)
So Paul - how about an equal playing field - if a member steps over the line -hit them as hard as you did our old adverisery BW.
Then no one outside can complain.

OK then, seeing as you won't let this lie...

Please explain clearly and concisely how your comments should have been read.
I am keen to know for example where your assertion that the UK government have called letterbombs 'undemocratic' came from, as this appears to be a fundamental keystone of your 'argument'.

Worked for the IRA, they bombed their way into the 'democratic' process with I might add, numerable concessions that included early release for killers of women and children and, provisions for terrorists such as McGuinness and Adams, who still have not yet sworn an oath to Her Majesty.

The matter is still being investigated. Lot of this is "media speculation" in reality.

The first letter bombs seem to indicate some link to animal rights activists - and is in keeping with past tactics from them.

The last four ..?

Boss of a security firm.. (own home - happens to be work address per press)

Capita - deal with Congestion charging

Vantis - accountants and registered office of client Speed Check which deals with traffic regualation and not Speed Cams

DVLA - licencing and registration.

Does not follow then that this is someone off with a speed camera .. but possibly over a congestion charge fine or parking fine.

Whatever - we are looking for a dangerous idiot .. possibly two given the devices sent to the forensic labs.

The speculation regarding the link to a "disgruntled motorist" originates mainly from the press and other media.



Ironically - the forensic labs will prpbably find all they need to trace this sick person .. and hopefully my colleagues down south will get their collar asap.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

I am keen to know how you can get away with AH when others get banned /suspended for other so called trivial items.

Please explain.

OH-BTW - IWON'T LET THE COMMENTS LIE AS I CONSIDER THEM AH.[/quote]

aparrently that was just practice for the real thing LOL

I thought the original poseter of the ad hominem had deleted (retracted) the uncalled-for statement, but that it now appears in a quote by the person sleighted, as if to not accept the deletion. I am happy that the original post has been removed. If there are still issues, please taske them off group.

The devil in me just had to type up a letter published in CW by a cyclist who does not want any more Kengestion charging. He or she thinks empty roads mean way tooooo fast

But Durham has a charge to enter the City. I know York and Canterbury do not charge.. but the same reasonable Park and Ride schemes operate and I think they charge within reason at the Park and Ride. Manchester, alas, does not seem to have this facility and there's the matter of where .

Could be someone who got a Kengestion and a parking fine whilst in London .. and insane as well But this is pure speculation fuelled by reading the tabloids on the subject.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

I think it was was of the red tabloids misquoting something or other.. I cannot recall which one I browsed in ... but I seem to recall shuddering in disbelief whilst waiting of my wife to finish "powdering her nose" mid shop.

Well a guy's gotta spend some time discreetly waiting

Oh the joys of some hack's way with words Perhaps I should have gone to the little boys' room as well..

I would have written "unlawful and wanton criminal disrespect" for postal workers and ordinary folk who sort this mail in the mail rooms at these etablishments.

There are legal ways of expressing anger or dissatisfaction with the " present status quo". The nutcase doing this very much undermines the calm chipping away for a more practical and acceptable way of fighting to get folk to respect road safety, their cars, their licences, each other on the roads. Violence of this nature seriously (if committed by some idiot who feels hard done to over a parking/congestion fine - and comment based on last three targets - and pure conjecture on my part ) undermines any practical approaches to change attitude and behaviour for the better.



Arguing and falling out with each other in a discussion will not help matters either. So.. take deep breath botach. and Riggers and whoever as I am barging into a conversation "halfway through here".. . and breathe in and out calmly.

Or use a smiley guy!

But.. back to the story.. pure speculation on part of media as to who is behind all this. Hopefully - this dangerous idiot(s) will be caught soon .. and - er - prove - we do actually go catch "proper " criminals.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

I've just had a thought.

Didn't Capita supply the much maligned CSA computer system?
It'd tie in with the forensic labs being bombed-IF there were any links with the rest of the companies that got letterbombs.


(I'd like to point out that my comment about not blaming the bomber was borne out of frustration at this government and the needless beaurocracy that it seems so fond on propagating rather than condoning the abhorrent acts that are being committed against the individual employees-which I most certainly do NOT. )

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Smokebelching,CO2 making,child murdering planet raping,granny mugging,politically incorrect globally warming (or is it climate changing now it's getting colder?)thug.
That's what the government want you to believe of me. If they get back in I'm emigrating.