Safe Speed Forums

I work in Newcastle upon Tyne and I have noticed a number of Truvelo Speed Cameras appearing across the city. These forward facing cameras have replaced the standard GATSO cameras.

I understand how these are capable of taking images of a speeding motorist from the front, capturing the driver, car and license plate. However, I am a little confused as to how these cameras would be used to prosecute speeding motorbikesas motorbikes don't have license plates on the front. With this in mind, bikers could effectively deliberately flaunt the speed limit, have their image taken but there would be no way of tracing the driver without a registration number.

Is this right? If so, is there not a legallity issue here either in the way
NIP's are issued and also how these cameras are targeting lorry and car
drivers directly? Would this not raise a human rights issue. Ie. Persicution or Invasion of Privacy?


I would very much appreciate it if anyone could clear this up for me.

Regards, Jonny

It is doubtful that a bike would even trigger the camera since it works on pressure on the road surface.


I believe part of the European Human Rights legislations says no section of society should be treat differently to any other. In this case they are turning a blind eye to the actions of bikers while prosecuting other motorists.

You would have been better asking this question on the Pepipoo forum where the legal brains hang out.

You are having a larf aren't you?

So you're being persecuted and were not? So when you go to a cafe on a Sunday Morning you can expect to be stopped and held without explaination for up to half an hour as you queue to have your vehicle inspected?

You can expect that anti social behaviour laws will be exercised to stop you meeting a few friends for a cuppa?

You can expect politicians to join with celebreties to try to get you banned from sections of the country

You want to experience persecution get a bike.

Patch,

I apologise if you got the wrong end of the stick but I was not having a bitch at Bikers. I know they are hassled reguarly by Traffic Police. I was trying point out how Bikers (through the leathers, helmet and stance) could get right past a Truvelo camera whereas Car/LGV/HGV drivers can have their pictures taken and identified by Registration Plates and Photographs.

I was trying to establish if there was a harrassment/persicution issue here.

Don't get me wrong. ANY driver caught by (s)cameras have my support but I was simply trying to paint a picture between different drivers in different vehicles and the flaws with this "new technology" which quite frankly seems like it has been employed as a revenue making tool.

In actualy fact, before I posted this message, I received an email from a member of the ABD who praised Bikers as the SAFER ROAD USERS.

Patch,

I have not ridden a bike for 25 years, and was never any good when I did, but I completely agree with your frustration. Unfortunately, as I have said before, a few bad apples taint the whole barrel.

I have no negative attitude towards bikes/bikers, in fact I always try and make extra room or make it obvious I have seen them and will not get in their way. I only feel envious when a bike zips down between the cars in a traffic jam and can clearly recall the day I took the drivers side mirror off a car that deliberately moved to the right to block my passage. My left hand was a little sore but I enjoyed seeing the splinters of mirror all over the road in my mirrors.

It's the car drivers and politicians who need an attitude makeover regarding bikers as for the most part I have found them courteous and reasonable road users. I can also comfortably say that I see a far higher percentage of morons in cars than I do on bikes.

So you have my complete support, for what it's worth, about your points.

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

It would if it were a Harley Davidson...

Anyway, are Bikes a problem? Usualy they end up the casualty if there is a comming together.

I usualy gove the forward facing cameras a "wave" as I go by on my bike..

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Speed camera policy Kills

Bikes do set of trevelos (don't they use magnetism rather than mass?)

It is every bikers duty to give the one finger wave.

if you get stopped at a road block ask them by what right they are detaining you. then ask if you are free to leave? then if you are being arrested?

They will waive you on pretty sharpish unless you have a noisy can, small plate or very dark visor.

In which case ask yourself what you are doing for the positive image of bikers. Noisy cans are mostly responsible for complaints of speeding bikers by local NIMBYs

I think this answers your questions regarding road sensors etc.

http://www.truvelo.co.za/traffic/t_pro.html

Looks like they are "pressure" operated

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Speed camera policy Kills

I live in 'Kodak County' (Nottingham) home of the 'Specs' front facing scameras.
The 'immune' M/Cs thing is a major gripe down here, as many of them deliberately race down 'scamera alley' (A610) safe in the knowlege that they cannot be traced, and they have the added delight of knowing there are no Trafpols operating in the area either.

There have been at least two fatalities actually 'AT' scamera locations (A610--A6004) involving M/Cs, and another one very close to a scam site.
No other vehicles were involved in any of the accidents, and the most recent one happened only weeks after 'SAFETY' cameras were installed in one area !

Got no gripe about bikers personally, in fact I'm a bit envious of their 'immunity' really, but I think they do take the pi55 a bit, at least in Notts.

diy wrote:


Road 'blocks' are used when a 'major incident' has occurred, and the police have every right to stop and question you.
(?detain? bit strong don't you think?)
I realise you are referring too a roadside checkpoint of course, but getting stroppy and asking those kind of questions will almost certainly result in you being Detained...(inconvenienced) as they give your vehicle a thorough 'going over' !

As for:
>"It is every bikers duty to give the one finger wave"
It is...
I think, not every biker would agree there !
They have their 'positive image' to think of.
In any case, the spec scams only note the 'front' numberplate of vehicles, and nothing else, (yet!) so the 'salute' is wasted !

Call it a checkpoint if you will, but if I am not breaking the law, the police have no right to detain me for over an hour while they check my bike is road legal.

and btw my challenge was extremely effective. I was told I was free to leave and the usual bollx about just doing our job.

Last time I got pulled I was running a course, they were totally uninterested, which is why I exercised my rights.

Firstly, let me say I do not intend to offend you with my replies, ok?

My knowlege of 'checkpoints' is, that not only are they manned by police, but also by officers from Trading standards/Social Security/DVLA/Customs and Excise, and perhaps others, at least this is the case in Notts, and I am sure it must happen nationwide, therefore you should not blame the police in particular for your being inconveniently delayed from continuing your journey.

The police (and others) at these roadside checks do have the right to, Stop/Search/Examine any vehicle for faults/illegal-stolen goods/firearms etc etc and the fact that someone is "not breaking the law" is not evident until the check has been concluded by 'all' the officers involved.

Many minor defects are brought to the attention of drivers who were unaware of them before the check, and sometimes various crimes/offences are revealed and vehicles with major faults are prevented from continuing their journey !

The fact that a vehicle is "road legal" doesn't mean it is being used 'lawfully'

Sorry, but these checks are essential for road safety, and crime detection.

You say you were 'detained' for over an hour?, I think you were unlucky that day as usually the time taken to do a reasonable check would be 15/20mins max.

Dunno about your area, but in the summer months, Notts 'checks' are like dogpoo......all over the place !

I don't object to being stopped and checked. (as is their right)

I object to having to wait a long time in a queue to be checked. (which amounts to unlawful detention - I'll dig the case law out if you want)

They can stop you but they cannot force you to wait. IMO they don't hurry themselves and I see the incovenience as deliberate. Afterall the best way to cut biker accidents on your patch is to discourage bikers from riding on your patch

Where I live the checkpoints appear to be used to discourage bikers from going to popular bike meets. Since I'm local, you can imagine my annoyance as the police have no way of knowing that they 1 stopped me last week and 2 I wasn't going to the bike meet any way and 3 my bike and visor are squeeky clean.

So, we do agree on that point then...



Agree there too, well...on the first part anyway...

And they may 'deliberately make' you wait.....(ok...force )
But only if one looks a bit 'dodgy' perhaps?



So you got stopped TWICE ? in two weeks?
Now I can understand your annoyance

I can honestly say that I have never seen a biker 'pulled in' at a checkpoint in my area.
(That's probably because they spot the check, spin round, and 'p' off PDQ )