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Actually, I recon painted cycle lanes do make things worse. In my experience, drivers see that they are within 'their lane' and don't actually move out to pass the cyclist at a safe distance.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Not to mention that they push traffic closer together when there are no cyclists about - what a waste of safety space.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Paul,

These are your exact words, posted in an internet discussion thread entitled

"Students sell car licence points"

Many people will have insurance to drive your vehicle under the clause
"The policyholder may also drive another motor vehicle, not belonging
to him..."

I think the points broker is a brilliant idea too and I've added it to
my web site. I've also determined that the phrase "licence points
broker" yields no hits with Internet search engines, so there's an
easy way to advertise.


Anyone care to give us a opinion about the legality of brokering
licence points? Could it be conspiracy to pervert the course of
justice or not? Any way to dress it up to make it legal? Think
creatively now!

The broker isn't deceiving anyone is he?

<another poster> And if it were to become popular the Gov't could create a specific offence to cover it.


Takes a fair time to do that though. All business opportunities have a limited life.

You don't even need to know the deceased. Just picking a name for the
local newspaper's obituary column has been known to work nicely. With
a bit of care in your choice, there's no one to call you a liar.

(It's on my web site

So pick someone who was alive at the time of the so called offence.

One of a series of good ideas on:


http://www.safespeed.org.uk/avoid.html

The way I see it the broker makes a contact and the other parties pay
him for the contact. The broker would not be a party to any agreement
made by the buyer or the seller. I see no deception by the broker.

According to a straw poll I carried out with three multi-company
insurance brokers about 2/3rds of insurance companies ignore a single
speeding conviction and around 1/3rd ignore two (when setting a
premium). So you might not be right about the value.

Please explain yourself. I would be particularly interested in your explaination of how the comments highlighted in italics have anything to do with road safety.

Words of a loony?

FWIW, I have a great interest in cars. I used to drive commercially, I have dabbled in restoration and, like the majority of C+ members, own and drive a car. I am however concerned about people who would encourage dubious and illegal methods of evading conviction for speeding, and excuses it as research when their own words clearly prove otherwise, whether or not they are campaigning for road safety.

You are quoting web chat from more than five years ago; you are quoting it out of context and you are quoting it with intention of damaging my reputation. That's really rather vile and won't be tolerated.

Anyway, no one here is stupid enough to be interested.

Accordingly please enjoy 'final warning' status. Any further attempts at defamation will result in permanent suspension in accordance with forum rules.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Jub Jub

If that's the best you can do to discredit the SafeSpeed campaign then it really is time to admit you've lost the debate, I mean that doesn't even rank as pathetic.

What can you bring to the table? I mean this seriously what is it about the actual campaign that is wrong, do you disagree that the loss of trend in RTCs is a bad thing? If so say why.

If you think that Government thinking on road safety policy is correct then tell us why.

This trolling is pointless, it's not even distracting, it just makes your position weak, if you have a point make it.

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It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

Please explain the comments. I quoted your exact words, so please explain how the reader will take them out of context. For your own sake.

It's vital Paul. You base your convictions on your ideas and interpretations. None of it is proveable facts. If you can lie so clearly about how you acted 5 years ago, and so not indicate that any change has taken place, how can your campaign be viewed as not being biased because of your old, inappropriate attitude.

Now please explain how your comments could be taken out of context. it's in your interest, because if you don't people will make up their own minds about them. And read as they are all that they say is that you were excited about providing ways of evading conviction for speeding. You're the only person who can explain what the comments really meant. I'd be really interested to see how you can explain the comments "One of a series of good ideas " and "I think the points broker is a brilliant idea too " as 'gathering research'.

And the funny thing is that several times recently on here and over on the dark side you have called me a liar.

Is this my last post? Your incriminating words are on your site now. Let people decide for themselves.

It works over there...

Seems to be about all they've got.

No wonder they cling to it.

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Fixed ideas are like cramp, for instance in the foot, yet the best remedy is to step on them.

Ian

Most campaigns are initiated from individuals who are biased: legalisation of drugs from people who do drugs, euthanasia from people who want the right to die with dignity, banning smokers from public places from people who don’t want to breath in the smoke...... the Richmond Park anti-20mph campaign from cyclists who want to go faster...... the list is endless. SS is certainly no worse.

The text quoted was not from the safe speed site and is nothing to do with the campaign, in fact it was from before the road safety campaign was initiated.

The real irony is that the only mention of those ‘ideas’ on this site is coming from those who want to discredit the campaign – strange that huh?

I guess no-one is reading this thread now but I’ll address these:


So which is worse, many drivers passing closer but never (or rarely?) too close, of fewer drivers who could be right over to the left of the carriageway posing a real risk of shunts?


What about when a cyclist is around? Again the pros and cons must be weighed up.


It does seem that painted-on cycle lanes are unpopular, but what about segregated lanes? These too are common in Munich Germany, even out of town (I know, I’ve used them a lot), they are simple yet so effective. Surely everyone can agree that these must be better than any speed camera?

I mostly agree, however I think cycle lanes in instances where lots of traffic is driving nose to tail at 40mph-ish on a straight bit of road are a good idea - that painted line keeps them out of the gutter, and means that when they don't see you (which they never do when tailgating), they still miss you.

Thats just my observation anyway.

Talking of credulity Jub Jub, you'd be less obvious if you didn't say things like "....my work there is done" over on C+, with regard to this thread.

I suggest a thread split, to separate what is a decent thread from the noise.

I reckon it's too hard and too overlapping but if you want to have a go, feel free. I lock threads before I split them and unlock them afterwards to save somone posting to the wrong part during the split. It's a 'oneshot' deal - you can't move a single post to another (pre-existing) thread at any time, let alone after a split.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I would (if others agreed) although my ‘powers’ are somewhat limited!

I’ve had a quick glance through this thread. All posts clearly fall into one of two categories: the debate spurred by Dondare and the other stuff spurred on by JubJub, the latter being somewhat less frequent – thankfully!

Any unrelated posts in the 'good' thread could simply be deleted with a note to say "Such posts should be in xxx thread" (anyway, JJ repeating himself again and again is not of any value)

Not necessarily. Stats re tot ups show that this is not the case... and NO - I do not understand that one either.

The photo is not produced in the UK. Swiss and Germans summon the driver to the station at which point they show the photo to the driver. Here, as I understand .. drivers have to fight to see the photo - usually released if they decide to fight in the courts...

Pulls around here.. we usually play back the evidence to those copped here and give an acid lecture. Our stats seem to indicate they have taken note of our lectures on COAST etc.

Also - you seem to forget one thing... you say the same commuters. Um - fixed GATSOs stay fixed. (We have one.. no one admits to knowing where it is - but then we are not bound by them rules and our PC Gatso gets a change of scene every now and then )

So.. these commuters will then as my old guv said in the interview which spinny trots out every so often ... and the Cumbrian manager - Steve Callahghan also said on this site, on his own site and I understnad on the PH site .. the very same thing...

People manipulate

Meaning.. they slow down for the cams and then speed up to way beyond the limit afterwards.

Vans the answer?

When I drive in the scammer control areas .. what I really notice is the sudden braking for any darned van seen in the distance "just in case".

See a marked car.. and instant snap to model behaviour... and no one knows where any of our team will be larking around really. What they do know and appreciate is that they know they will get fair play from us.. and we do give the timetable for our one cam van.

Yep.. we have one. Guess what.. it's manned by police officers who can at least judge the speed of an approaching vehicle accurately.

Guess what.. we will never manage to zeroise any accident anywhere .. but we still manage to keep the tragedy figures lower than the neighbours with the partnerships. Perhaps when the new rules kick in,.. we may see some changes for the better. I sure hope so anyway.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Seems to attract some rather unpleasant types. I think people will find that off putting.

Attempting to redress the balance by giving a few plugs re the mag itself. in Cycling where it belongs .. The supplement about biking getaways to sunnier climbs.. brightened up a foggy and frosty evening anyways and did a spiel on training camps - covered by CW four weeks ago already

It's a shame really that these people are so nasty on the site .. and the mag itself is a pleasant read.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

The provision of segregated roads in Germany lead to bicycles almost disapearing as a means of transport.
There's no room for such lanes in London, the ones round the University (The Camden "Boulevard" scheme) are a total disaster. More to the point there's no need for them. Separating bikes from cars reduces the usable roadspace for both.

I got a letter once informing me that I'd been clocked over the limit, and it included a very clear picture of the car. It's a pity that banks and building societies don't use Gatsos; there'd be no doubt about the identity of anyone robbing the place.
It also worked for me, I'm a lot warier now. I don't want to pay another fine and I don't want my insurance premiums to go up again.

That may be good for you, but its certainly not good for any other road users.