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Flipatron · **Joined:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:58 **Posts:** 2

I've posted on a police forum with regards to a speeding question and have received a rather hostile response!

I think my argument stands up but the police obviously know better than me.

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Dixie · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:14

What was the question you asked them?

Flipatron · **Joined:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:58 **Posts:** 2

If i were to misread a speed sign (say I did 40 in a 30 zone) and get caught by the 2 or three cameras on the same half mile of road, am i liable for all three fines and the full 9 points? Surely I have commited only one offence so would only be liable for one fine and 3 points?

Stephen · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 13:41

In law if its on the same road and short time spans then it is classed as an ongoing offence, you should be liable for all 9 points but in reality you would probably get dealt with by the magistrates with a fine and points that reflect your plea.

If they were all around the same speed then there would be no aggravating factors, but on the other hand if they are like 46 53 49 etc in a thirty then you could get all 9 points.

99% of all speed enforcement cameras are not run by the police anymore they are governed by camera partnerships and they set the limits which are a lot less than when the police run them however I can only speak for my force on this .
Stephen

botach · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 16:35

This is where the Orwelian "all are equal, but some are more equal " comes in .

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In law if its on the same road and short time spans then it is classed as an ongoing offence, you should be liable for all 9 points but in reality you would probably get dealt with by the magistrates with a fine and points that reflect your plea.

Contrast this with someone who is caught with three illegal tyres on a car - points can only be applied once ---so thats 3 points for a more dangerous offence and the fine ( seem to remember something on DVLA site - that treated as one offence, but obviously fine will be more,but not as much as three offences)

But then , to the system ,Speeding is the Dangerous offence :roll:

Oscar · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 17:57

Always thought it was 3 points per tyre.

botach · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 19:05

No - can't find the DVLA bit - it's gone to some horrible Direct gov site, but it definately said " 3 tyres = one offence =3 points + £££££)----not exactly a deterrent.

Any BiB confirm ??? (please)

Gizmo · **Joined:** Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:16 **Posts:** 3655

Flipatron wrote:

If i were to misread a speed sign (say I did 40 in a 30 zone) and get caught by the 2 or three cameras on the same half mile of road, am i liable for all three fines and the full 9 points? Surely I have commited only one offence so would only be liable for one fine and 3 points?

It used to be in the "rules" that tripping more than one camera in the SAME zone was considered to be one offence. Cumbria got caught out on on this one when they were claiming that two cameras in one zone equals two offences when they did a piece in the press. I don't know what it says now though.

botach · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 20:14

Know for a fact - was surprised as it hapened to someone i know ---got done with two dodgy tyres --3 points + about £100 ---only appears on licence as one offence.

supertramp · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 00:28

Hi, Flipatron, good to see you here... :welcome:

Your posting style is excellent, I think you'll like it here.

Lum · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 01:55

How far does the "one offence" thing go?

In theory I could drive from, say, London to Carlisle at a constant 90mph, tripping mobile cameras elonging to a number of camera partnerships.

Is that still one offence, SP50 speeding on a motorway, 60 quid please?

Mad Moggie · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 02:31

Flipatron wrote:

If i were to misread a speed sign (say I did 40 in a 30 zone) and get caught by the 2 or three cameras on the same half mile of road, am i liable for all three fines and the full 9 points? Surely I have commited only one offence so would only be liable for one fine and 3 points?

Blackpoo... per the Gazette around 2003... person ended up on 6 points and one speed course for passing 3 Gatsos between North Pier and Bispham. :rolleyes at 34-35 mph.. :rolleyes:

Not sure how it works on that cluster on the way back to the M55 though.. (where that little windmill is.. A584? A583..?) :roll:

Those are literally yards apart :roll:

Speaking of Blackpoo! - Wildy already posted on PH about the really "unfunny" illuminations. There are some which depict a throwaway camera and roll of film. There's a Gatso near them.. and the illuminations flash the camera flash on these "camera decorations" . We were stationary by one of these in the jam when it (the decoration camera flash gun ) started flashing in our rear mirror :rotfl:

.... the Wild :neko:

one was hissing up at it.. :rotfl:

- especially as we were under signs which read "Flash Bang Wallop" at the time ... :hehe:

I saw the funny side - just :wink:

.. but Wildy wondered about whether or not people thought they really were pinged.. :roll:

Stephen · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 03:30

In reality you would get dealt with for all the cameras you tripped seperately if they were in different force areas so say you tripped one in London (met) then Birmingham (west Mids) 2 in Stafford (Staffs) etc etc then you couldnt lump them together as they are all seperate, so, by the time you get to Carlisle you would probably be getting train back or hitching a lift :lol:

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Stephen

Homer · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 09:13

The one offence thing doesn't go as far as overloading though.

Or at least in my case it didn't since I was fined for overloading the front axle, overloading the rear axle and overloading the van. £25 a piece (no points) IIRC, which my employer paid. It probably cost them more to come out to the weighbridge and remove the extra tonne of leaflets they had stuck in my van.

cerberus · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:58

Mad Moggie wrote:

Speaking of Blackpoo! - Wildy already posted on PH about the really "unfunny" illuminations. There are some which depict a throwaway camera and roll of film. There's a Gatso near them.. and the illuminations flash the camera flash on these "camera decorations" . We were stationary by one of these in the jam when it (the decoration camera flash gun ) started flashing in our rear mirror :rotfl:

.... the Wild :neko:

one was hissing up at it.. :rotfl:

- especially as we were under signs which read "Flash Bang Wallop" at the time ... :hehe:

I saw the funny side - just :wink:

.. but Wildy wondered about whether or not people thought they really were pinged.. :roll:

I think people would be able to tell the difference :lol:

Noob Saibot · **Joined:** Thu Dec 22, 2005 14:55 **Posts:** 56

Flipatron wrote:

If i were to misread a speed sign (say I did 40 in a 30 zone) and get caught by the 2 or three cameras on the same half mile of road, am i liable for all three fines and the full 9 points? Surely I have commited only one offence so would only be liable for one fine and 3 points?

Wouldn't getting flashed by the first camera alert you to your misreading though?

nicycle · **Joined:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 01:51 **Posts:** 329

Noob Saibot wrote:

Flipatron wrote:

If i were to misread a speed sign (say I did 40 in a 30 zone) and get caught by the 2 or three cameras on the same half mile of road, am i liable for all three fines and the full 9 points? Surely I have commited only one offence so would only be liable for one fine and 3 points?

Wouldn't getting flashed by the first camera alert you to your misreading though?

Not if it was a truvelo, talivan or SPECS, and no doubt some people will come up with more.

botach · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 22:02

nicycle wrote:

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Not if it was a truvelo, talivan or SPECS, and no doubt some people will come up with more.

Truvello - you'd know - the flash is visible.
Talivan - they either use the "dodgiescope " or the buried detector -so no no sign.
Specs - no .
Have seen in the past a pair of cops with gun and notepad -but not sure if this was speed check or "enforcement"

Mad Moggie · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 22:32

cerberus wrote:

Mad Moggie wrote:

Speaking of Blackpoo! - Wildy already posted on PH about the really "unfunny" illuminations. There are some which depict a throwaway camera and roll of film. There's a Gatso near them.. and the illuminations flash the camera flash on these "camera decorations" . We were stationary by one of these in the jam when it (the decoration camera flash gun ) started flashing in our rear mirror :rotfl:

.... the Wild :neko:

one was hissing up at it.. :rotfl:

- especially as we were under signs which read "Flash Bang Wallop" at the time ... :hehe:

I saw the funny side - just :wink:

.. but Wildy wondered about whether or not people thought they really were pinged.. :roll:

I think people would be able to tell the difference :lol:

Oh I dunno .... they see Gatso and that flash.. some folks may not realise that it's the illiuminatons.

:roll:

Besides.. the takings are reportedly down despite a long warm summer ..

Lakes? Windermere/Bowness/Ambleside had reportedly lower takings which they attribute to the speed limit on the waters :roll:

Rest competed fair enough .. :wink:

botach · **Posted:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 23:18

Way too much flashing - time for a Mad Doc to enter scene ( with Novacain and tools ) and remove flashing equipment :lol:

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