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The locals in Wensleydale are getting as upset about bikers as the ones in Bilsdale who formed BAND. In the Darlington & Stockton Times this week they are up in arms after last weekend's fatality and two serious injuries in another crash between two bikers in a village on the A684. Lots of alarmist talk about pedestrians being run down by bikers (which hasn't happened).

So what to do? Obviously some of the residents would like to see motorbikes banned but don't want to lose the revenue they bring in to places like Hawes. The rambling fraternity have succeeded in getting 4X4s and trail bikes banned from byways open to all traffic within National Parks (from 20th October this year). I think it is fairly obvious that they welcome walkers and cyclists not bikers. I personally would be fed up if, having bought a motorbike (only a 125) to ride around the (tarmac) lanes and over the moors in our local National Parks, I was stopped from doing so.

They are even talking about introducing speed cameras which might be a visual intrusion in an environmentally-sensitive area. Maybe they will do what Dartmoor did - introduce a blanket 40 mph limit on moorland roads.

Over to you for ideas/ solutions?

Any explanation as to the cause of the accident. Demon bikers or maybe a diesel spill, mud on the road, poor road condition, poor road signs etc etc.

If its bikers involved they MUST be to blame.....

How about GET THE FACTS FIRST then act.

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That's just hard cheese.

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Paul Smith
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And the theres another forest down south to with an 40mph limit enforced by roundels, the new forest i think.

Apparently, a reduction in posted speed limit to 40mph reduces accidents, accident severity, pollution, congestion and noise. all the speed limit reductions I hae experienced have done the opposite...Ah well.

A 55-year-old on an R1 lost control approaching Bainbridge from Leyburn and hit a wall at 4 pm on Saturday. My comment: there is a nasty downhill right-hand turn over a bridge after a fairly straight section but I don't know if this is where it occurred. Just beforehand two bikers collided head-on in Aysgarth and both sustained injuries requiring hospital treatment. A week previously a man was seriously injured colliding with Hestholme Bridge, a mile east of Aysgarth. My comment: Hestholme Bridge requires a very tight right turn going onto it from the Aysgarth direction after a long downhill section with sweeping bends - 20 mph is about the max for the bridge. In the other direction the road is twistier so you get more warning.

So in looks like the riders are unable to read the road well enough, i.e. work out the severity of corners in advance IMO. It points to training being required.

I use this road sometimes when visiting Krissi - my sister. Ist a nasty right .. ist the one I think I use to get to village where she lives. I asked her .. ist indeed where it occurred.




Ja.... ist a tight turn und perhaps why they came to grief there..



I think we are back to my cousin IG's headache of "born again riders who forget skills because of gap or are chasing their youth ... " :rolleyes:

I have ridden on motorbike this stretch with my sister und another Swiss cousin. Ist challenging .. und we are advanced riders too. Ist not a road to take at excessively over speed limit und sometimes you need to be below as ist case of being able to stop safely in distance you can see to be clear und the tight bends dictate speed just about at or bubbling just under the speed limit if very skilled und under to as low as own judgement if not so confident

But Liebchen - I think you are right. You know on this site .. we accept people who drive und ride motorbikes are not Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect.

We know people who ride bikes are not so... but we seek to help towards good practice for all as advocated by all the "Craft/IAM/AA/police/motor mag" experts.

Not directed at you liebster A Cyclist.. or anyone on site -- but really to the lurking numpties out there...

Only a complacent fool think he have nothing to learn in driving, biking or cycling skills. Truly skilled, able und intelligent evaluate und question selves und continually seek to improve whatever fault they perceive or detect in their drives und rides..

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I wish that (emboldened) were true. The problem is that we (society) don't give out that information, and only the enlightened know it. It isn't 'complacent fools'; it's most people. Everything is geared to mislead in this area. We don't educate past the driving test. We don't tell people to learn from their mistakes. We just berate people for breaking rules. And it's still getting worse, not better.

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Paul Smith
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Well, thanks for your confirmation of what I think - I am an IAM Observer in a car and try to apply the same skills on my motorbike and pedal-bike. Observation, anticipation and appropriate reaction not to mention being able to stop in the distance I can see to be clear....

But how do we get the message across to the drivers/ riders who really need these skills before they need the services of a funeral director?

They'll soon crumble....

Daily Mirror



Must have been horrific

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Nick - we wish we knew the answer to that ..

As you are perhaps aware, we try as a family group to to make people think C O A S T .. and to apply it.. on and off line

One thing is clear - automation breeds resentment, apathy and a decided reluctance to learn from mistakes

I do think that we need to get police back on roads and to get back to that awe and respect society as a whole had for them.

But respect does beget respect .. and blokes with the calibre of Stephen, IanH, Man and IG do command this on sight. We need more of these and less automation if we are to even reach these misguided people.

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How does this result in a head on? I can't figure it out at all.

One oncoming biker on the wrong side of the road crashes into a group? Is that it?

The idea of two groups crashing head on doesn't bear thinking about.

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A good example I saw on Saturday morning that could easily have gone wrong was a rider rounding a bend at 80-90 mph (my estimate) with his wheels just inside the whilte lines but not his head. I moved left doing 60 mph. If a fully committed biker had been coming the other way also near the centre line this would undoubtedly have led to a fatal collision. It's about riders understanding the importance of taking a safe line round corners, as well as all the other skills.

Ist true. I wish bikers would also look at IAM to improve.

Have something which I think I should post up in "Improve" on this one. Courtesy of sister-in-law who see a sign on road by a GMP "Think! Bike! sign on way to motorway und let us know to post it up to inform hopefully more people.

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The head on on Sunday happened on the A272 at Cowdray Park at 6:30 am.

On of the bikes involved was a Goldwing ridden by a 54 year old from Midhurst, he was killed and his wife is very poorly.

There is a lot of information about if you search bike forums on this accident from people who were there as well as some feedback from a member of the emergency services on one of the forums. Clearly it is incorrect to make judgements but:

It would appear that a group of sports bike riders left the Bognor area (one of the riders that died was from there) having organised an early morning ride. This is common practice amongst some down here as the roads are generally so busy and the best are well policed by breakfast.

The road past Cowdray Park is a technical stretch, with double white lines and the group of bikes were heading towards Midhurst.

A forum post on a ducati forum states that one rider (on a kawasaki) hit the Goldwing head on, both riders were killed pretty well instantly. A second bike in the group was unable to miss the wreckage of the wing and that rider is seriously ill in hospital.

Later on the same forum a "member of the Emergency Services" who attended the scene stated that it was the worst scene they had attended and asked all bikers to pay attention to the double white lines, they are there for a reason.

From the information I have found in the forums it is impossible to deduce which bike was over the white lines and whether or not that was intentional, a run wide or other factor (ie diesel).

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Those signs work too, they're on the A57 just before the M602. Whenever I'm going down there on the bike, people move across to let me past and seem to be more aware. Very courteous driving, which is rewarded with a thumbs up from me as I go past.

Sisters-in-law both say these signs telling drivers to be aware of bike und asking bikers if above 40 mph on Leigh Road ist to die for.... are on both Worsley Road und Leigh Road on way to J13 M60 at Worsley. They live in this area.

They say they have seen another sign appear .. advertising a Road Safety Fest for Bikers on 25 June. Ist to be found on www.robertpeel.org.uk

I think it may be of useful information to lurkers und browsers. Please pass to anyone you think may find of benefit. You are advanced . you evaluate und always seek to improve.. but we need to make others think same way.

Have posted up in bikers section in PH for info und in "Improve" forum. This group seem to me to be good one to point people to to improve skills on bikes. Nicht Liebchen?

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Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Yep, my buddy Jeff is running it I will be there (as always)

From perusing site after being informed by Ted's sisters down in biggest 'burb.. sound like an excellent initiative.

I hope we encourage people to go to this event



Und best regards to you und yours

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