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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 14:51 
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Apparently I'm quoted in the following story:

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Anyone got the Paper?

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Yep, I've got it.


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fergl100 wrote:
Yep, I've got it.


Any chance of a scan? Failing that, what are their headline figures? I don't have them.

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Sorry no means to scan - I,m a computer pigmy.

No. of motorists with penalty points up 50% in 2 years.
£114m in fines per year from cameras- £22m to government.
Insurance up 7% for 3 points 20% for 6 and 50% after 9 points.
14% of motorists have at least one conviction, 16% have two convictions and 3% have 3 convictions.
This story also is their main editorial.


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fergl100 wrote:
Sorry no means to scan - I,m a computer pigmy.

No. of motorists with penalty points up 50% in 2 years.
£114m in fines per year from cameras- £22m to government.
Insurance up 7% for 3 points 20% for 6 and 50% after 9 points.
14% of motorists have at least one conviction, 16% have two convictions and 3% have 3 convictions.
This story also is their main editorial.


Ahhh, now I understand where they came from. :)

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The Express also had an anti-police headline yesterday about a speeding Mum being held in jail. This seems to be a theme at the moment.


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The Express also had an anti-police headline yesterday about a speeding Mum being held in jail.


Did I get quoted in there?

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Did I get quoted in there?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

YES see scans in your e-mail..
page 8 speed traps make our roads more deadly + editorial....page 12

well worth the 40p

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SafeSpeed wrote:
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The Express also had an anti-police headline yesterday about a speeding Mum being held in jail.


Did I get quoted in there?


Not in the Non. 16th story.


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fergl100 wrote:
14% of motorists have at least one conviction, 16% have two convictions and 3% have 3 convictions.


That doesn't make sense ... are those figures correct?


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14% of motorists have at least one conviction, 16% have two convictions and 3% have 3 convictions.


That doesn't make sense ... are those figures correct?


Good question. I can't find them in the scan I've been sent from the Express.

Here's the original PR from confused.com (who are clearly confused. 5% indeed!)


Embargoed until 09 November 2005

DRIVING CONVICTIONS UP 5% ON 2003

Driving convictions are on the rise, according to the latest research from car and home insurance search engine, www.confused.com. According to a study of almost 3.5 million drivers, 14% admitted having at least one conviction on their licences, up 5% on figures for 2003.

Despite the increase in convictions, the research reveals that speeding has actually fallen from 86% of convictions in 2003 to 81.6% of convictions in 2005. Amber gamblers – drivers who jump or run red lights - make up the next largest group of drivers, representing 5.3% of drivers with convictions, down 0.1% on 2003. Worryingly the number of drink drivers has almost doubled, growing from 2.3% of drivers with convictions in 2003, to 4% in 2005.

As for drivers previously caught without insurance, the research has shown a dramatic increase in motorists who have subsequently taken out cover. In 2003 1.5% of such drivers went on to take out insurance, whereas in 2005 this figure had leapt to 2.9%. This, in itself, suggests that the recent crack down on motorists who drive without insurance is starting to have a positive effect, forcing offenders to seek cover.

Commenting on the findings, Debra Williams, Deputy Managing Director of Confused.com said, “According to our sample study, 468,000 drivers were convicted for speeding, while 31,000 were caught jumping lights in 2005 alone. In each case these drivers are likely to have seen hikes in their insurance.

“Drivers with one conviction would have seen an increase of between 5-7% on their insurance, while motorists with multiple convictions will have seen dramatic insurance hikes up 21% for two convictions and between 40-52% for three convictions.

“Dismal as this may sound for drivers with convictions, our research shows that not all insurers treat drivers with convictions in the same way, and therefore not all insurers will automatically increase your premiums. This makes shopping around for car insurance critical as drivers who search and switch typically find insurance £150 below that of their renewal quote.”

www.Confused.com provides a free, real-time service to drivers, which instantly compares prices from 96% of the insurance market, bringing back a full list of premiums in under five minutes. The service typically searches 170 insurance rates to find the best available deal, and saves users an average of £150 on their annual premiums.
-ENDS-

For more information please contact Ewan Davy, Daniel Gray or Loretta Smith at Grayling on 0117 922 7799.

Note to editors:
Confused.com’s study analysed data from 3,487,940 drivers in 2005, of which 470,441 had at least one conviction. In 2004 the same study analysed data from 1,417,563 drivers, of which 172,615 had at least one conviction. In 2003, the study analysed data from 99,280 drivers, of which 8,937 drivers had one conviction or more.

In addition to the figures outlined above, careless driving currently accounts for 1.6% of convictions, while driving without a license represents 1.1% of drivers with convictions. The remaining convictions are split among dangerous driving, driving without a license, failure to stop at the point of an accident, driving whilst disqualified, and a host of other infringements.
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orange wrote:
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14% of motorists have at least one conviction, 16% have two convictions and 3% have 3 convictions.


That doesn't make sense ... are those figures correct?


Yes they are correct and yes they don't make sense.


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what i read was that 1 in 7 have points mainly due to cameras, so putting a bit of spin on it 6 out of 7 drivers respect the limit (if they agree with it or not) so from the article then the majority of the British public stick to the limits with only the minority exceeding the limit (or exceeding the limit at a camera site and getting caught)

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I'm hoping you don't believe your spin.


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I am one of the 1 in 7. I drive through loads of cameras each day.
My sister drives faster than me but has no points because in her part of the county there are no cameras. 80% of the cameras are in 10% of the county.

maybe 6/7 of the drivers rarely drive through any cameras...

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just going on the facts in the paper

80% of cameras in 10%of the country ???[/quote]

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At about 100m per camera I would guess 100% of the cameras in 0.00001% of the country.


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At about 100m per camera I would guess 100% of the cameras in 0.00001% of the country.


We can be accurate if you like. We have 375,000 Km of roads and 6,500 camera sites.

So on the basis suggested that's (6500*0.1)/375,000 = 0.17%

But most camera only do one direction, so also divide by 2, = 0.09%

Oh, and half the site are mobile sites, so there isn't usually a camera there. Want to divide by 2 again? = 0.043%

Oh, and there's only a camera in 1/4 of gatso boxes. = 0.011%

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I know my spelling is awful but you have mis read my post.
I said "County" not Country.

I used to drive through 12 fixed a day and 10 known mobile sites a day on my regular 20 miles a day gettting me and my disabled wife to and from work.

Is there any suprise I eventually made a small mistake (or a LTI20/20 made a mistake?)

Hampshire only put cameras in less afluent parts of the county (Southampton Portsmouth, IOW. not in the rich parts Winchester Stockbridge Andover). so my sister drives through none unless she visits me.

It is a sort of class discrimination. The snobs in Winchester HQ put the cameras in the rellitavely poorer parts of the county

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if you dont break the limit you will not get zapped
(unless its an lti20/20 on an off day?)

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class discrimination

if due to accident history driving a mercedes you get a npi rta, whilst if you were driving a claped out escort you end up with a pi rta, just a thought

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