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"of which £91.8 million was reinvested in road safety".....Bullsh*t

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Speed camera policy Kills

Given that SCP's only hand over the excess funds am I correct in assuming that speed camera enforcement through the SCP's is costing £91.8m per annum?

£91.8m a year!!!!!!

How many people are employed by SCP's in total?

Shall I get writing to the Audit Comission?

Uf £91.8M had been spent on road safety the UK would be a much safer place. In fact it is spent on speed cameras so the death toll keeps on going up

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Speed camera policy Kills

If only they'd invest in more police officers. Think of how many terrorists we might catch as well.

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I recon it equates to about 36 more Police Officers per authority.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Think what we could do with £98 million... Oi! Motorists! Send the cash over here instead.

Or even 0.1% of it would make a really big difference over here (£98,000).



Yeah, great idea. Go for it and keep me posted.

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Paul Smith
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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

My ex works for them (probably won't be writing to her though!)

It can't possibly stack up.

May be this would account for the costs....

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Speed camera policy Kills

I shudder to think about how many more brown skinned people are going to be shot more than a handful of times in the back of the head.

I deplore the Chief of the Met Police coming on the telly to attempt to justify and exonerate his 'men' of any blame in taking this man's life.

It used to be don't speed as I do, speed as I say....

Now, if you work for the police, you can apparently shoot anyone lying face down on the floor 7 times in the back of the head if they don't stop when you first pull a gun on them and trust you won't shoot them anyway!

Reminds me of "Tell us you were driving the car so we can nick you for speeding, else we'll nick you for not identifying yourself as the driver!".

Double standards? There is a terrible smell around this and I just wonder whether I'll end up being shot myself for deigning to be a dissident voice: I'm sure there's some excuse the local theft enforcement service can make up between themselves to cover - perhaps get their boss on the telly with a few soothing words too.

PaulF. At the risk of further taking this off topic, I feel I should point out that while the number of shots fired seems excessive, there is a balistics explanation for this.
In 1960 Hendrik Verwoerd the South African Premier was shot twice at point blank range in the side of the head.... and survived, without any disablement of his functions.

The ammunition being used in London is low energy, which reduces the risk to anyone near by - essential in a place like a tube station. It also increases the chances of somebody surviving and detonating a bomb, if they have the trigger in their hand. It is essential that ALL life and reflexes are extinguished when dealing with a suicide bomber, for personal survival, and that of other tube users.

Dont question the manner of his death - I am certain that it was quite intentional and correct in the instant it took place, and the officer concerned would not have taken this action, had not the actions of the victim been questionable. You should be questioning perhaps the intelligence which led to the challenge, and the actions of the unfortunate victim, who by all accounts fled when challenged - sealing his fate. The terrorists who bombed the busses and trains started this, and the man concerned is yet another victim to add to THEIR toll, not the police. If you have concerns, you should really take them to another forum.

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Hi Paul,

Please don't take my silence as any implicit agreement with your comments.

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You have a tenuous grip on reality at times don't you?

I would like to think these Brave men would do the same thing again, I Sympathize with his Death but what was he running for in the first place?, he comes from a country where police stop you with guns every day, he would have been aware of the repercussions of running from an armed officer, was he not aware we are under attack and his behaviour would be read as suspicious?

I am sick to death of the way our news stations are blaming our police force for the way they are trying to protect us, on this occasion I fully appreciate their bravery

I don't really want to get too involved with this topic on this forum (I don't believe this is the correct place to do so), nor do I want to be barraged with abuse for any ideas I might have , but I will say I do find it somewhat ironic that a forum that deals on a daily basis with ridiculing government spin on the transport system seems, IMO, to be taking very much at face value what we are being told about recent tragic events .

I have heard of many examples on this forum of our "brave " BiB behaving like headless chickens when in pursuit of "suspects". I don't find it too hard to imagine a similar situation having arisen in this circumstance.

As far as a few innocents having to be sacrificed for the "bigger picture", one could quite easily equate this with dealing with all speeders severly in the hope of reducing road casualties by default .

I hope this little rant does not implies in any way that I have no sympathy with the victims as that could not be further from the truth , I'm merely exploring the possibility that a government that will lie on one subject ( which most here beleive costs lives) may be sparse with the truth elsewhere.

When you are in a country where the cops cary guns there is a certain protocol that you observe.

1) If you are requested to stop never, never, never run

2) If you are in your car and get pulled over sit perfectly still and keep your hands on the wheel untill instructed to do otherwise.

If someone is pointing a gun at me I will do whatever they say as a priority.

Its not that complicated is it!

I don't know how I would react given the same conditions, knowing that there was a risk that he could be a suicide bomber.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Unfortunately for the chap in question , we are a country where , typically , cops don't carry guns.

But the chap in question came from a country that did, so should have known better.

I know it's a bigger issue but personaly I don't have a problem with the police carrying guns. I think we have developed a wierd kind of phobia about them. The crooks don't think twice about it (especialy in Nottingham) but we are programmed to be afraid of the whole gun thing.

I can see a day when armed Police are a common site. They are already at Airports in the UK.

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And, speaking from personal experience, I agree. Where there's a gun involved, running or doing anything other than being totally acquiescent is a dumb idea.

Too many years ago to think about (very early 70s) I was in Hawaii. I hired a car and was driving around admiring the scenery which was breathtaking. I can only think that I made some kind of minor error of driving and committed a 'moving traffic violation' of some sort. Next thing, a cruiser behind with all the lights going. Pulled to the side and stopped. Officer gets out. I think "He's going to want my licence". It's in my jacket pocket and I'm reaching for it (with hindsight a dumb move). I hear: "Freeze buddy!"

Needless to say I froze - except for my eyes which swivelled to where the voice was coming from. Oh my God!:shock: This guy's holding a howitzer at least a foot in diameter - at least that's what it seemed.

Quoth I: "I'm English and I'm reaching for my licence". He replied "Don't! Just remove you hand slowly". Which I did.

There followed a short conversation during which I was advised "If you are stopped, keep your hands in sight and don't move a muscle"

I can tell you, it's bloody frightening to be on the wrong end of a gun. If I were to hear 'Armed police - stop!' well, you can bet your a**e I would do just that.

Cheers, Chris.

By the way, I was let off whatever I'd done with a lecture about driving carefully in the USA - did me the power of good.

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