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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 20:33 
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How often do you exceed the speed limit?

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never on purpose, hence no convictions, I do not change speed for cameras as i have no need to, no some chose to speed every day, then cry lioke babies when caught


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safetyman wrote:
never on purpose,

Well that didn't answer the question!

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never on purpose

Speeding is speeding regardless of intent. According to you, speed kills.

So, according to you, you are a killer. Don't you care about the children? How can you look in the mirror?

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safetyman wrote:
then cry lioke babies when caught,


How Many Points Do You Currently Have?
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None     88% [ 31 ]
2-3      8%  [ 3 ]
4-6      0%  [ 0 ]
7-9      2%  [ 1 ]
10-11    0%  [ 0 ]
12+      0%  [ 0 ]


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Safetyman, I demand a speed limit on your typing!


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safetyman wrote:
never on purpose, hence no convictions,


That's interesting, I didn't know the cameras could be set to detect whether or not people are speeding on purpose and only prosecute the ones that are! :wink:

Is it safe to speed as long as you're not doing it on purpose?


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Safetyman, I demand a speed limit on your typing!


It's OK. Because he doesn't miss-spell on purpose, it doesn't matter!

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never on purpose, hence no convictions,


That's interesting, I didn't know the cameras could be set to detect whether or not people are speeding on purpose and only prosecute the ones that are! :wink:

Is it safe to speed as long as you're not doing it on purpose?


I would actually argue the opposite. Those drivers who consciously choose to drive at a higher speed have (possibly unconsciously) been through a risk analysis. Those drivers who are unaware of their environment (in and out of the car) and are unable to judge if the car has sped up significantly since their last routine check of the speedometer are probably more likely to be unaware of potential risks. This sort of means that I expect people who substantially exceed the speed limit to be involved in less KSI's than those who drift over. I have no figures to back this up, it's a qualitative analysis rather than a statistical one - happy to be corrected.

Perhaps the real danger is those who think they have done a risk analysis but were unaware of all of the potential risks - including their own (lack of) capability?

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Exactly!!!!! :yesyes:


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never on purpose, hence no convictions,


That's interesting, I didn't know the cameras could be set to detect whether or not people are speeding on purpose and only prosecute the ones that are! :wink:

Is it safe to speed as long as you're not doing it on purpose?


I would actually argue the opposite. Those drivers who consciously choose to drive at a higher speed have (possibly unconsciously) been through a risk analysis. Those drivers who are unaware of their environment (in and out of the car) and are unable to judge if the car has sped up significantly since their last routine check of the speedometer are probably more likely to be unaware of potential risks. This sort of means that I expect people who substantially exceed the speed limit to be involved in less KSI's than those who drift over. I have no figures to back this up, it's a qualitative analysis rather than a statistical one - happy to be corrected.

Perhaps the real danger is those who think they have done a risk analysis but were unaware of all of the potential risks - including their own (lack of) capability?


I agree!!


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its obvious to any-one that at times ie when moving from flat to uphill one can over adjust and end up teo or three miles per hour over, however this is different to the morons who have no intention whatsoever of sticking to the law and are constantly 10-20 mph over, slowing down only for speed cameras and then speeding up past them, then cryingb fowl when caught.


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safetyman wrote:
cryingb fowl


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I believe this process of slowing down for cameras is called 'playing chicken'

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its obvious to any-one that at times ie when moving from flat to uphill one can over adjust and end up teo or three miles per hour over, however this is different to the morons who have no intention whatsoever of sticking to the law and are constantly 10-20 mph over, slowing down only for speed cameras and then speeding up past them, then cryingb fowl when caught.


Serious question...

So how would you know if your speed was unsafe?

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its obvious to any-one that at times ie when moving from flat to uphill one can over adjust and end up teo or three miles per hour over


It's not obvious to the camera partnerships. To them you are a child murdering speeder who needs a fine and points. They don't care about safety or common sense. They just want the money.

The problem is even worse for the driver when the speed limit has been reduced to an unnecessarily low speed because it requires extra concentration just to stay below some random number.

The current policy has had a serious detrimental affect on road safety but the authorities are too scared to admit they got it wrong.


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1 It would more than likely be over the posted limit.
2 i would be unable to stop in the distance i could see.
3 i would in 25 years of driving caught the attention of the police.

The posted limit is there to be adeahered to, it is never an add on, if you dont like it leave the road and catch a train, the reason people die on the road is that they do not stick to the rules that are thier for thier safety AND THE SAFETY OF OTHER PEDESTRIANS AND ROAD USERS.


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safetyman wrote:

The posted limit is there to be adeahered to, it is never an add on, if you dont like it leave the road and catch a train, the reason people die on the road is that they do not stick to the rules that are thier for thier safety AND THE SAFETY OF OTHER PEDESTRIANS AND ROAD USERS.


Really ? Rules are actually for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of idiots/fools as repeated by Douglas Bader and many others.

I see the sped limit rules in excatly the same light. Blind obedience to posted limits at the cost of all else causes more danger to OTHER PEDESTRIANS AND ROAD USERS than following the guidlines and above all else driving safely and responsibly.

I like to think I'm in the wise men camp. And you safetyman ?

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Really ? Rules are actually for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of idiots/fools as repeated by Douglas Bader and many others.

I see the sped limit rules in excatly the same light. Blind obedience to posted limits at the cost of all else causes more danger to OTHER PEDESTRIANS AND ROAD USERS than following the guidlines and above all else driving safely and responsibly.

I like to think I'm in the wise men camp. And you safetyman ?

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What I can't understand is, you admit to speeding, but you justify it to yourself.

" it's only a couple of mph over"

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ie when moving from flat to uphill one can over adjust and end up teo or three miles per hour over


What happens if you get Flashed?

How do you know we don't stray two or three miles per hour over?
Or is it because you do it its okay?

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