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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 19:12 
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I sort of knew that some quads were now road legal. But have you guys seen what you can now buy and run on the road?

Example: ebay link

Amazing. I might even want one.

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£1,000 to £2,500 and road legal.

I haven't seen one of these on the road yet. Anyone?

How quick are they (top speed?)

Will we see them on motorways? :shock:

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£1,000 to £2,500 and road legal.

I haven't seen one of these on the road yet. Anyone?

How quick are they (top speed?)

Will we see them on motorways? :shock:


Hmnn!
Why is that, on a motorway, worse than a Motorbike?? :wink:

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Will we see them on motorways? :shock:


Hmnn!
Why is that, on a motorway, worse than a Motorbike?? :wink:


Ahh, that was me being shocked, personally, at an unusual sight.

The serious motorway issue is probably: are they fast enough to keep up with the traffic?

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Good point!

They *might* be capable of it but I suspect we are looking at 50-60 tops (Unless somebody can tell me otherwise)

That is not very aerodynamic and it does not (obviously) exibit a large engine!

Having said that my old VWT25 is only good for 65 and I use motorways on occasion (But I dont really like it) but I dont really think I am "Out of place" as it were.

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The serious motorway issue is probably: are they fast enough to keep up with the traffic?


No they aren't. 80kph according to the manufacturer, so probably 65kph for real.

http://kinroad.en.alibaba.com/product/5 ... t_EEC.html

However at 155kg dry, swapping out the chinese rotovator engine for a Fireblade, R1 or GSX-R lump might make things a bit more interesting.


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Something fishy here...

Their Ebay advery has a bit in it that says:

"THIS PRODUCT IS ROAD LEGAL AND CAN BE USED ON ANY UK ROAD ONCE REGISTERED TO DO SO.

This product should not be used on public road. It requires home assembly..."

These two sentences are right next to each other. What's all that about???!

It is true that there is an EC Type Approval scheme for "Quadricycles". It is also true that if the vehicle has been type approved as a quadricycle, then it will come with an EC CErtificate of Conformity and it can be registered for use on a public road in any EC Member State. HOWEVER, I am pretty certain that the Certificate of Conformity would only be valid for a turn-key vehicle that was fully built at the factory. If they are sold for home completion, the manufacturer has no control over the build process and can't, therefore, supply a Certificate of Conformity!

It would be perfectly legal to build one and put it through the SVA test as an "amateur-built" quadricycle though!

I think that to qualify as a quadricycle, they need to weigh less than 400kg unladen and have a maximum engine power output not exceeding about 20BHP. I could look it up if anyone is interested!


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Dusty wrote:
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£1,000 to £2,500 and road legal.

I haven't seen one of these on the road yet. Anyone?

How quick are they (top speed?)

Will we see them on motorways? :shock:


Hmnn!
Why is that, on a motorway, worse than a Motorbike?? :wink:


Stick a few plastic panels on it and you have a smart car, only the smartcar probably doesn't have such good rollover protection. :wink:


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With those tall tyres and knobbly tread, and an extremely short wheelbase, I dread to think what the high speed stability is like. In this context, 'high speed' is probably anything over 30 mph. :lol:

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Homer wrote:
Dusty wrote:
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£1,000 to £2,500 and road legal.

I haven't seen one of these on the road yet. Anyone?

How quick are they (top speed?)

Will we see them on motorways? :shock:


Hmnn!
Why is that, on a motorway, worse than a Motorbike?? :wink:


Stick a few plastic panels on it and you have a smart car, only the smartcar probably doesn't have such good rollover protection. :wink:


..at least a smart can take on mway speeds :P


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Something fishy here...


Indeed - look at the feedback:

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Never got all the right paper work.Never answer the e-mails or phone.

Reply by names007: we sorted it out in the end why the neg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Follow-up by jj132cars: Oh no we have NOT!!!!!!!!! That we are still in a disput NOW


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I had a go on a road legal one recently....... so much fun, though having to drive on an NSL road to access the off-road course/field was rather daunting. Apparently they would have done 60mph+, but the road was quite narrow. And it had walls. I wasn't going to test that claim!


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I've imported a few of these with a couple of mates and have them in stock if anybody wants one, I will do incredibly favourable rates to any SS members if they're interested (see: www.kartman.co.uk).

They're incredible fun off-road, and whilst you can make them road-legal (they come with the certificates of conformity, indicators, lights etc...), I'll be honest and say that they don't convey the greatest sense of safety on the road, since they only go about 25 - 30mph (the 150cc ones at least)! I would never even think of recommending anyone takes them on the motorway.

We can also get 250cc models, and we're even transplanting a 400cc block from a bike into one as a fun side-project! Seriously though, if you want to know anything about them or want to see or buy one, give me a shout, I will sell at wholesale prices to any SS members.

Sorry if this looks like a glaring advert, I just couldn't believe you were discussing the exact karts we've just brought over!

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So you're limited to 20bhp if you register as a quad bike.

Are there any restrictions on modifications made after registration, as the UK seems to be incredibly lak in this area (eg. Subaru and Mitsubishi flashing ECUs and swapping out exhaust systems after registration to sidestep emissions regulations on their WR1, and FQ-series cars respectively)

20bhp quadbike. Register it, engine swap with a Hayabusa, get yourself killed.

OTOH, perhaps these buggies could be registered as cars?


Personally I have always wanted to put a go kart through SVA, though I imagine I'd need a big flag on it these days to avoid getting run over by someone's imported Dodge Ram.


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Completly by co-incidence I went quad-trekking today in the Lake District near Penrith - have to say its the most fun you can have with your clothes on! :lol: haha, well its my current favorite anyway! Felt bloody quick flying across rough terrain but checked the speedo and was only 30mph but felt more like 60 with an open-face helmet. Still had plently of go left in it at that, probably good for at least 40 maybe more but it wasnt road legal. Dead easy to ride as well, just high/low gear(only used lower for very tricky hill) and throttle and away you go. Much easier then the ones with a clutch and gears.

I think it was a Bombardier Outlander but could be wrong. It was defintaly Bombardier I remember that much.


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Not Greystoke Castle by any chance was it?


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So you're limited to 20bhp if you register as a quad bike.

Are there any restrictions on modifications made after registration, as the UK seems to be incredibly lak in this area (eg. Subaru and Mitsubishi flashing ECUs and swapping out exhaust systems after registration to sidestep emissions regulations on their WR1, and FQ-series cars respectively)

20bhp quadbike. Register it, engine swap with a Hayabusa, get yourself killed.

OTOH, perhaps these buggies could be registered as cars?


Personally I have always wanted to put a go kart through SVA, though I imagine I'd need a big flag on it these days to avoid getting run over by someone's imported Dodge Ram.


It's a bit of a minefield! You're quite right that once registered, ou can o what you like with a vehicle BUT you still have to meet the Construction and Use requirements and the Road Vehicle Lighting Regs for the particular category of vehicle. The thing is, PC Plod very rarely prosecutes for breaches of C&U or RVLR - other than the obvious like defective lights, noisy exhausts, bald tyres etc. (and the yellow boxes on sticks don't seem to be too bothered either!) :roll:

Sometimes, changing one thing can affect something entirely unrelated. IF, for example, you get something that was type approved as a quadricycle and you put more power in it, you then make it (legally) a "car" and as such, it will have to meet "car" requirements. Quads only need to have their (as an example) seat belt anchorages tested to half the load that a car's belt anchorages have to withstand - so right away, by upping the power, you've made your seat belt anchorages not comply with C&U requirements! Similarly, I've a feeling that quads only need single circuit brakes whereas a car needs dual circuits. If that's the case, you'd make your brakes non-compliant too by upping the power.

Of course, the quad might have been designed to exceed the minimum requirements for a quad and meet the requirements for a car in the first place.... :wink:


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Not Greystoke Castle by any chance was it?


It was indeed! We did loads of other stuff like 4x4 driving, grass karting, musket firing and the like. I excelled in clay pigeon shooting for some reason. No idea why, didn't think it would be my thing but was hitting 'em nearly every time. Wasn't so good at the archery though. Ahh well. Lovely setting and stunning views all round.

Even better that it was all free as a customer thank-you!


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I'm jealous! Always wanted to go there!


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I'm jealous! Always wanted to go there!


Well I definately recommend it - really friendly staff, well organised and some great activities!


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