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http://www.itv-motoring.com/news/2006/august/10/11017.asp

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Roy Milnes has drawn our attention to the Drivers Against Daytime Running Lights campaign, of which he is the UK Co-ordinator. Among other things, the campaign is based on the assertions that the lights are distracting to other road users; that they contravene rule 94 of the Highway Code; that they fail too soon because of extended use; and that they create pollution because of the extra engine power needed to run them.

All this, of course, is aimed squarely at Volvo, whose cars run on dipped headlights even when the light switch is set to the "off" position, though it's also possible to run on sidelights only. The company is based in Sweden, where daytime running lights have been mandatory since 1977.

Volvo defends its policy of keeping the system in its cars even when they are sold in countries - like the UK - where it is not a legal requirement. "Volvo stands by its experience with Day Running lights as a contributor to improving road safety for vulnerable road users (particularly the elderly, children) around dawn and dusk when it is essential for vehicles to be seen," a spokesman told us.

"Mr Milne's campaign is a long-running one but, given the increased number of countries making Day Running Lights mandatory, the experts seem to support our views and those of the Swedish authorities rather than Mr Milne's."

Judge for yourself by visiting www.dadrl.org.uk.




I am sure this will spark off some controversy. From what I can remember daytime running lights are specifically banned in Italy.

I can't see how Swedish road safety experience has an relevance here. Their traffic density is one tenth of ours.

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Volvo defends its policy of keeping the system in its cars even when they are sold in countries - like the UK - where it is not a legal requirement. "Volvo stands by its experience with Day Running lights as a contributor to improving road safety for vulnerable road users (particularly the elderly, children) around dawn and dusk when it is essential for vehicles to be seen," a spokesman told us.



When you should have your lights on ANYWAY!

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So all the bikers that have benefitted from the extra visibility of having their lights on will now disappear into a confusion of glare to any approaching or right turning traffic.

Certain to increase the fun on rainy days.


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If people where educated, as to when to use head lights there would be no problems.

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ree.t wrote:
If people where educated, as to when to use head lights there would be no problems.


Exactly!


Nigel - Welcome. Its debatable whether or not DRL on bikes makes any real difference anyway.

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It maybe a good moment to mention that Safe Speed provides free web hosting to the UK branch of 'Drivers Against Daytime Running Lights (DADRL)'. See http://www.dadrl.org.uk

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So all the bikers that have benefitted from the extra visibility of having their lights on will now disappear into a confusion of glare to any approaching or right turning traffic.

Certain to increase the fun on rainy days.


I'm not sure many bikers have actually benefited from DRLs. Of course the perception is that they work. Bikers are therefore likely to run on main beam and all the problems that brings about


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ree.t wrote:
If people where educated, as to when to use head lights there would be no problems.


Educate? Not under this government. They're trying to dumb down Britain so that they can introduce more daft policy without people realising.


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When I got my Volvo S60, one of the first things I did was to get my dealer to turn the day running lights OFF.

I'm the pilot in command and I will decide when the lights ought to be on, thank you very much!


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When I got my Volvo S60, one of the first things I did was to get my dealer to turn the day running lights OFF.

I'm the pilot in command and I will decide when the lights ought to be on, thank you very much!


I concurr - bike lights on ALL THE TIME - car lights on when needed , is my view.

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botach wrote:
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When I got my Volvo S60, one of the first things I did was to get my dealer to turn the day running lights OFF.

I'm the pilot in command and I will decide when the lights ought to be on, thank you very much!


I concurr - bike lights on ALL THE TIME - car lights on when needed , is my view.


I still don't agree with always on lights on bikes, but it should still BE THE RIDERS' CHOICE.

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FJSRiDER wrote:
Sixy_the_red wrote:
I still don't agree with always on lights on bikes, but it should still BE THE RIDERS' CHOICE.

I agree.

Then we can easily see who are the riders who can't ride properly - as they will have their lights on in daylight.


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I wouldn't mind the Volvo's lights so much if they weren't designed (?) to appear to be flashing you all the time.

Has anyone else noticed this? I think it's a combo of a very sharp edge to the top of the path of the dipped beam, and Volvo's tendency to pitch over bumps, but I often find myself driving along thinking "Why's that car flashing me? Oh, it's a Volvo"


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FJSRiDER wrote:
Sixy_the_red wrote:
I still don't agree with always on lights on bikes, but it should still BE THE RIDERS' CHOICE.

I agree.

Then we can easily see who are the riders who can't ride properly - as they will have their lights on in daylight.

Is that ALL daylight (between lighting up hours), subdued daylight, bright sunlight, under trees, in rain, fog or spray, urban or rural roads, straight with junctions or motorways?
Or would allowing the rider to make a choice ensure that the best decision is taken at the appropriate time; or shouldn't we just legislate to stop any daytime lights whether it is appropriate or not, thus allowing all road users the anonimity of being idiotic, with an excuse that "it's the law".

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Sadly few riders now have the choice.

Dipped beam (not even side lights) are hard wired on all new bikes produced by the major manufacturers. Apparently the dealer is supposed to offer you a switchable version if you request it.

but its a case of d'ya wana buy it or not mister?


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diy wrote:
Sadly few riders now have the choice.


Only those who buy a new bike, and its really not difficult to add a switch at a later date.

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