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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 08:22 
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How a Big Brother box in every boot will make sure you pay as you drive

Every car will be fitted with a Big Brother-style black box which will charge drivers for using major roads under new laws planned by ministers.

The Government wants 'spy in the sky' technology to track the 31million cars in Britain in a bid to cut congestion.

Drivers using major city centre and trunk roads would be hit by a pay-as-you-drive tax of as much as £1.34 a mile. To add insult to injury, car owners would have to pay £200 to £400 to install the palm-sized unit in the boot or on the dashboard.

And there are fears that the black box, using the same global positioning satellites as in-car navigation systems, could be used much more widely. Anyone who parks on a double yellow line or nudges over the speed limit would be caught as the hi-tech equipment sends data to a central computer. Although the black box idea has been floated by ministers before, there are now plans to put it before Parliament for the first time, possibly next year.

Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander - a Scottish MP whose Paisley and Renfrewshire constituency would not be affected by English transport legislation --believes the scheme would cut congestion and improve public transport. Ministersare looking at introducing it in 2009, the EU's target date for fitting new cars with black boxes to alert the emergency services automatically after a crash.

The plan, revealed in a leaked letter to Commons Leader Jack Straw, was condemned by motoring and civil liberties groups as a huge extension of the Big Brother state.

Paul Watters of the AA said: 'People will be very alarmed at their privacy being invaded.' Tony Bosworth,of Friends of the Earth, said: 'This can only be part of the solution. The Government must invest more in public transport, cycle routes and pedestrian access.'

The Transport Department said: 'The Government has been very clear about the need to explore road pricing. It is only right that we explore what legislation might be required.'

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Such equipment can then be used to track 'terrorists' (that'll be the 'spin') and to monitor 'trends and patterns of road useage'. In other words to track and spy-on Mr. Average at all times. Speed limit adherance could also be monitored with an automatic fine & points applied every time the speed limit is exceeded. If you want to go the whole hog, the driver identification could be verified by a fingerprint or iris reader in the 'black box' which must be validated before the engine will start, so S172 need not be a problem and the I.D. of the specific driver will always be known, for sensible monitoring, you understand.
How they will be able to fit the 'black boxes' to classic cars with, say, +ve earth electrical systems, 6-volt systems and circuit-breaker ignition is another problem, but maybe they'll just chuck those off the road completely by deeming them 'too environment unfriendly'.
Is this the visible start to 'totalitarianism' which is already creeping up on us.
The medium-term answer, of course, will be to have a company based elsewhere in Europe and register your cars there, then use them in the UK under EU regulations on there being 'no artificial barriers to trade and business throughout the EU'. I
t will take, possibly, 25 years for European standards on all this and with the gov't track record in putting IT systems in place, expect at least 10 to 15 years before the basic UK system could work.


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Cooperman wrote:
How they will be able to fit the 'black boxes' to classic cars with, say, +ve earth electrical systems,


There are only two connections required + and - does not matter what the battery polarity is. The power supply within the unit will be able to cope with anything from 6-42 volts battery voltage.

Everything else is self contained. location, speed, time, duration are all derived from the GPS system. an on-board GSM sim card will transmit the data to a central computer for billing. They could even automate it further by billing you through the GSM service provider like a mobile phone bill.

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Also see; http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8611


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I'm scared now :x :x :x

Really, really ****ing scared.

I'm sure the technology exists, and I'm sure that - given time (unless the socialists are voted out) - this will be a reality.

If it does happen, the wife and I will move to the Isle of Man and live in a cardboard box...........

.........with 2 nice cars on the pavement.

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Isle of Man don't like you parking on the pavement. They have the attitude roads are for vehicles and pavements are for pedestrians ie how it used to be here. I have been looking on the property pages and there are reasonable amounts of land for sale so you could at least have a few acres for your cardboard box and somewhere off road to park :)

Somehow I get the feeling IOM is going to have massive immigration in the next few years. If there were any IT jobs going I'd certainly be over there.


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