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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 19:09 
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Hands-free phone 'as dangerous as drink-driving'
TALKING on a hands-free mobile phone while at the wheel could be as dangerous as drink-driving, according to new research.

A university study found that people are as impaired when they drive and talk on a mobile as they are when motoring while over the legal alcohol limit.

The study follows other research that shows that drivers' ability can also suffer from in-car gadgets such as satellite navigation systems.

The study was carried out by the University of Utah in the USA.

For the study, 40 participants drove a driving simulator four times - once while not distracted, once using a mobile phone, once using a hands-free phone, and while intoxicated after drinking vodka and orange juice.

They followed a simulated "pace" car that braked intermittently. The researchers found that both hand-held and hands-free phones impaired driving, with no significant difference in the degree of impairment recorded.

The study found that compared with drivers who were not distracted, those who talked on either hand-held or hands-free phones drove slightly slower and were nine per cent slower to hit the brakes.

Meanwhile, a recent survey by www.motorinsurance.co.uk showed that nearly three-quarters of motorists believe in-car gadgets are potentially dangerous if drivers take their eyes off the road to use them and 81% of those asked said drivers should be required to pull over to use them.

Eddie Barnaville, general manager of the Diamond Advanced Motorists organisation, said: "The fact that 3,500 people are killed on our roads each year shows that motorists simply aren't paying enough attention.

"Satellite navigation systems and hands-free mobile phone kits are all great technological advances, but sadly they do cause distractions for motorists.

"The research carried out by Utah university is the chilling reality of the danger modern technology poses to drivers. Motorists should always stop in a safe place to use their mobile phone or satellite navigation system."


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Meanwhile, a recent survey by www.motorinsurance.co.uk showed that nearly three-quarters of motorists believe in-car gadgets are potentially dangerous if drivers take their eyes off the road


So what about speed cameras then?

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The study found that compared with drivers who were not distracted, those who talked on either hand-held or hands-free phones drove slightly slower and were nine per cent slower to hit the brakes.


Assuming similar behaviour with the distraction of speed cameras in the vicinity, although the speed might be lower, e.g. at the limit, the constant checking of the speedo and checking for increased speed limit, being out of range etc, must surely make drivers just as slow to hit the brakes?


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The study found that compared with drivers who were not distracted, those who talked on either hand-held or hands-free phones drove slightly slower and were nine per cent slower to hit the brakes.


Assuming similar behaviour with the distraction of speed cameras in the vicinity, although the speed might be lower, e.g. at the limit, the constant checking of the speedo and checking for increased speed limit, being out of range etc, must surely make drivers just as slow to hit the brakes?


'Inattention' is right at the centre of road safety. The following Safe Speed page applies: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/inattention.html

I definitely believe that the mobile phone issue is a real safety issue, but we have just had figures indicating 13 mobile phone related deaths in a year, while drunk driving is responsible for about 550.

The figures for the proportions of mobile phone users and drunk drivers are similar at between 1 and 2% of the traffic.

I conclude that drunk driving is a FAR more serious issue than mobile phone driving.

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The figures for the proportions of mobile phone users and drunk drivers are similar at between 1 and 2% of the traffic.

I conclude that drunk driving is a FAR more serious issue than mobile phone driving.


I agree. But where does the 1%- 2% figure for phone users come from - my personal observations lead me to think the figure is higher? (Come to that, how to we know only only 1-2% are drunk? - there are hardly any BiB out there catching them after all!)


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The figures for the proportions of mobile phone users and drunk drivers are similar at between 1 and 2% of the traffic.

I conclude that drunk driving is a FAR more serious issue than mobile phone driving.


I agree. But where does the 1%- 2% figure for phone users come from - my personal observations lead me to think the figure is higher? (Come to that, how to we know only only 1-2% are drunk? - there are hardly any BiB out there catching them after all!)


I can't remember the exact source document but DfT carries out a regular roadside survey. The following Safe Speed page: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/phone.html contains:

The Government began to survey the use of handheld mobile phones in November 2000. At the first survey 1.5% of drivers were using a handheld mobile phone. Since this time there have been three further surveys with the last in April 2002. The last survey observed 2.2% of drivers using a handheld mobile. We're told that the interim surveys confirm a steady increase.

I'll try to find the latest surveys.

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drunk driving is responsible for about 550. (deaths)


That's 550 too many!

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there are hardly any BiB out there catching them after all


I made a similar point elsewhere on here yesterday. I would rather the BiB were back out dealing with the misdemeanours of driving like they used to, because there is a higher chance of catching the drink-drivers.

Frankly, I feel less safe in an area with lots of speed cameras because the police are not about as much. Speed cameras don't catch the drink drivers and I think they are far more of a hazard than someone exceeding the speed limit by a few mph.

btw, Paul, you're doing a splendid job here and I applaud you for all you do :)


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btw, Paul, you're doing a splendid job here and I applaud you for all you do :)

Please consider helping out ... Have a look at http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... highlight=


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Direct Line had a similar study a few years back, I think I have an electronic copy of thier paper if anyone wants a copy.

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btw, Paul, you're doing a splendid job here and I applaud you for all you do :)

Please consider helping out ... Have a look at http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... highlight=


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Please consider helping out ... Have a look at http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... highlight=


Just have :)


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Sunday, 6th August 2006
Hands-free phone 'as dangerous as drink-driving'
TALKING on a hands-free mobile phone while at the wheel could be as dangerous as drink-driving, according to new research.

A university study found that people are as impaired when they drive and talk on a mobile as they are when motoring while over the legal alcohol limit.

The study follows other research that shows that drivers' ability can also suffer from in-car gadgets such as satellite navigation systems.

The study was carried out by the University of Utah in the USA.

For the study, 40 participants drove a driving simulator four times - once while not distracted, once using a mobile phone, once using a hands-free phone, and while intoxicated after drinking vodka and orange juice.

They followed a simulated "pace" car that braked intermittently. The researchers found that both hand-held and hands-free phones impaired driving, with no significant difference in the degree of impairment recorded.

The study found that compared with drivers who were not distracted, those who talked on either hand-held or hands-free phones drove slightly slower and were nine per cent slower to hit the brakes.

Meanwhile, a recent survey by www.motorinsurance.co.uk showed that nearly three-quarters of motorists believe in-car gadgets are potentially dangerous if drivers take their eyes off the road to use them and 81% of those asked said drivers should be required to pull over to use them.

Eddie Barnaville, general manager of the Diamond Advanced Motorists organisation, said: "The fact that 3,500 people are killed on our roads each year shows that motorists simply aren't paying enough attention.

"Satellite navigation systems and hands-free mobile phone kits are all great technological advances, but sadly they do cause distractions for motorists.

"The research carried out by Utah university is the chilling reality of the danger modern technology poses to drivers. Motorists should always stop in a safe place to use their mobile phone or satellite navigation system."


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Meanwhile, a recent survey by www.motorinsurance.co.uk showed that nearly three-quarters of motorists believe in-car gadgets are potentially dangerous if drivers take their eyes off the road


So what about speed cameras then?


How the Hell can you associate 'distraction to the motorist' with a complete physiological change caused by taking a drug? I have never read such utter media-hype scaremongering in my life!
A phone call in a car may distract for the period of the call, but the effect of any depressant drug changes the way the brain processes information - the speed of reaction and the acquisition/appreciation processes being most affected.

This is a bloody joke!

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the speed of reaction and the acquisition/appreciation processes being most affected.

and they're saying that attempting to hold a phone conversation while driving has the same affect.
Why is this a joke? Surely it's a serious safety issue that so many people think it's ok to talk on the phone while driving (and we won't go into the idiots trying to text)?


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Yesterday, WVM came towards me on wrong side of double whites- sure enough, 'phone clagged to lughole! Good job I don't have one. :D


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I fully agree that the sight of some numpty weaving along with a phone stuck to their ear makes you pray for a BiB to appear. My point is that when they put the phone down, they resume their normal level of driving - the fact that someone has stopped drinking a couple of minutes beforehand does not make them a sober driver, does it?

That's as daft as linking 'breaking the speed limit' with 'dangerous driving'.

...Hang on a minute..!

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