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If an emergancy vehicle is passing you the third lane may be an idea??
two's and blues would warn you??
What people realy want is for the law abiding driver to move over as fast as possible, getting stuck behind the hgv going at 56 mph whilst they speed past at 80-90-100mph, without a care in thier heads.

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

It's been a good 23 years since I last bothered to look at the Highway Code, but my understanding has been (and still is) that you should be in the left hand lane at all times unless overtaking.

You however have still failed to answer the question of why you would be doing 75 in the middle lane, as it is you who has been stating that we should all stick to the limit.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Is not looking at the highway code your contribution to raod safety then, what you realy want is to be left to do whatever speed you fancy, admit it,

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

You really have no concept of this community, do you? Sitting there slinging mud instead of addressing questions asked of you. It hasn't occurred to you that we enjoy playing with the odd troll now and again - it takes our minds off the tedium that driving British roads has become. We compare notes on the trolls on other sites to see who has currently got the best 'village idiot' - with you we are way up the league tables.

You still have not answered the questions asked of you, so I will ask again; what would you be doing 75 mph in any lane of a motorway for, if you are so vehemently against exceeding speed limits and what were the details of your NIP? What were the grounds that you were let off on?

Your time starts now...

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Aquila



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Depends on the conditions, but yep, that's pretty much spot on - if your scared of driving at normal m/way speeds then get in behind a truck and stay there so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Don't know if you looked around while tootling along at 70, but the majority of the car traffic is going a lot faster than that.
I drove home from brum the other day and the only time I dropped below average 85 was to sit behind some inconsiderate moron doing 70 in L2 of the A14 with a big queue of frustrated drivers behind them.
Once they had shifted (after being undertaken twice by fed up drivers - very safe, not!) it was back up to 85 like the rest of the cars.

Amazingly, with what the government would lead us to believe, I didn't die in a huge fireball the moment I passed 70 nor did I kill any ikle children on this "terror drive", and neither did the hundreds of others I saw doing exactly the same thing - in-fact I listened to Radio 2 and ate a packet of mints.

I reckon most motorway go slows, are caused by the totally differing speeds between cars and trucks. You know the situation everyone piling up in lane 3 at sub 70mph a few wasters in the midde lane just taking up space, they wont pull in because they will need to pull straight back out again because there are so many trucks in lane 1. They wnt get let back out again so hence think no point moving out of lane 2 where they can switch off and waft along with out a care in the world.
Mean while back in lane 3 I'm stuck behind 20 odd cars all nose to tail, so ppull over into lane 2 which is nearly empty, I float up lane 2 passing a few cars then pull into lane 1 when I can undertaking the vegtable thats just in everyones way. Quick perfectly timed back into lane 2 then lane 3 manouevre completed and I'm sorry for all the undertaking thats gone on but if I dont do it we have effectively turned Britains motorways into 1 lane carriageways.
Hello this is my first post by the way

Hello!
You know overtaking on the inside is "not illegal". I don't really care which side people overtake on, as long as it's safe.
Over here in Florida (and probaly the rest of the USA) people overtake on either side and HGVs aren't speed limited. It's quite nice. If only they'd change lanes to the right when not overtaking...!

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Andrew.

I'm pretty sure that over here in Blighty it is illegal to undertake on the motorway.
Personally, this seems to really annoy me. I get especially grumpy when stuck in a moving queue in L2 of a D/C passing a truck and someone glides past in L1 before squeezing into a small gap in the L2 traffic ahead of me. I suppose that the queue jumping offends some in-built "Britishness" or something.

The way the law is written in the UK, it is not illegal to pass a vehicle on its left side providing you are progressing in traffic where the lane to your right is moving slower than yours and you are keeping up with the vehicle ahead.
There is a distinction between the above scenario and the deliberate switching of lanes, passing a vehicle on its left and then returning to the lane you started from. That is classed as undertaking and can lead to you being prosecuted.
There are several viewpoints in here as to what constitues 'keeping pace with the vehicle ahead', ultimately the only viewpoint that counts is that of the trafpol who spots you

Yeah I'd judge it on "would I do that if there was a policeman watching?" . Sometime the answer would be yes. I'm quite comftable in lanes 1 and 2 to be doing (say)60mph whilst the third lane is crawling along, speeding up and slamming on etc.

Travelling round the M60 this evening in the 4 lane section I mentioned earlier (clockwise J22 - 24), there was a van dawdling along at no more than 60 in L2 with L1 clear. There was a police patrol 2 cars in front of me in L1 (and ahead of the van). The car directly in front of me undertook the van and I did likewise. No reprimand at all from the police for either of us, (would have been nice to see them pull the van over for lane-hogging though - in fact I'm not sure the patrol car didn't undertake it)

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Why can't we just use Common Sense?

I have often wondered about this one.

It IS legal to overtake on the left on a one way street (it's a theory test question)

Is a Motorway a one-way street........Try driving in the other direction and find out.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Motorway undertaking in itself is definitely not illegal. However, the police generally see it as dangerous driving so that's the offence you can be done for. I guess it depends on how it's done as Rigpig suggested.

Check http://www.middlelanemorons.com for more

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Why can't we just use Common Sense?

OMG What a brilliant site!

I just have bought a bumper sticker!

Ahhh, I see the difference now between undertaking and passing on the left. Proper undertaking still winds me, definately not Cricket old bean.

Love the MLM site though, my wife is definately one as she loves to cruise in L2 ("but why move over, I'll only get stuck behind something"), and I seem to come across hundreds on the A1(M) south of Peterborough. I just can't do it, makes me feel "wierd" if I try to stay out in L2 when L1 is empty. Can sometimes be a fine line between pulling in and just staying out to pass next truck, so I suppose its all about driver perception at the end of the day.

I know what you mean about it feeling weird Blackadder - I feel weird enough driving on the right of a one way street...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Didn't know you could get SafeSpeed bumper stickers!!!! Cool!

BTW. Passing slow vehicles on the left is covered - I believe - by HC rule 243.....

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Safe yet Swift.

When does the change of lane become illegal? Effectively that is saying that what should be a perfectly lawful change of lane suddenly becomes an illegal manouevre because of what will subsequently happen (that I will pass the traffic stuck in the middle lane).

Are you sure it's illegal by the way. Does the highway code say you MUST NOT change lane or that you SHOULD NOT change lane?

Item 139:

139: Overtake only when it is safe to do so. You should

not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area and then start to move out
not assume that you can simply follow a vehicle ahead which is overtaking; there may only be enough room for one vehicle
move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake. Allow plenty of room. Move back to the left as soon as you can but do not cut in
take extra care at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance
give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road
only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would a car when overtaking (see Rules 188, 189 and 191.

So can a queue be classed as just one car travelling slowly?

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Why can't we just use Common Sense?