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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 21:49 
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Found this on the times site - might be old news, but havent seen anything like it --thought it might be interesting.


http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/articl ... 64,00.html

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Interesting. Good to see the UK has the lowest road deaths, but with the lowest rate of downward change, how long will it be before other EU countries overtake us?

Maybe when our fatality figures are closer to that of Portugal than Holland & Germany, serious questions will start to be asked about our obsession with speed cameras.

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Such figures will be used to justify more cameras. Like 'the medicine isn't working so we'll increase the dose'.
That's the way politicians think - and it makes more cash as well.


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Interesting idea Cooperman - wonder what impact the cameras on the roadworks on the M1- think its around J21 have - nightly i hear reports of accidents on that stretch - used to be rare on the reports in Warks, now regularly.

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Along with a few other countries, are we approaching an "irreducible" minimum of deaths on our roads? There must be a "random noise" number of accidents which will not be amenable to reduction as their cause is not identifiable and preventable by reasonable means. In otherwords, our rate of improvement is falling as we asymptotically near this minimum.

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Along with a few other countries, are we approaching an "irreducible" minimum of deaths on our roads? There must be a "random noise" number of accidents which will not be amenable to reduction as their cause is not identifiable and preventable by reasonable means. In otherwords, our rate of improvement is falling as we asymptotically near this minimum.


Yes and no. We're looking for - and entitled to - exponential decay in road deaths. It does get harder and harder to save a life. But the degree of this effect is predictable.

With exponential decay we get a constant percentage reduction every year - every year that's fewer lives saved and one day we might decide that the last few hundred lives per year are not worth the investment.

But we can ALWAYS makes cars safer. We can always makes roads safer. We can always get better at post crash medical care. (Where 'always' means for the foreseeable future.

And the proof is that we have had exponential decay in road risk values since the dawn of motoring. Until the mid 1990s that is...

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But we can ALWAYS makes cars safer.



Yes, certainly. And make them safer for everyone, not just for the people inside them.

A lot could be done to minimise impact-injuries to cyclists and pedestrians.


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A lot could be done to minimise impact-injuries to cyclists and pedestrians.

Training them to keep themselves safe would help. Many drivers havent a clue whats in the current Highway Code, but at least they get to read it before they take their test.
For pedestrians, the numbers who know anything about their Highway Code seems incredibly small :!:

Maybe it's because I live in a rural area, frequented by millions of tourists?

In Bowness in summer, it's like the entire North Lancashire and Cheshire Crack Suicide Display Team are putting on a show! :oops:
Some of their stunts are amazing!

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
For pedestrians, the numbers who know anything about their Highway Code seems incredibly small :!:

although most of them are drivers

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Maybe it's because I live in a rural area, frequented by millions of tourists?

or maybe it's because a good number of people are completely daft and their numbers are increasing as long as we keep doing our best to interfere with Mr Darwin. :lol:


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