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I just got a notice of intended prosecution today that tells me to fill part 1 and 3 and send it back but part 1 requires that I put in my license number but I have no driver lincense (expect provisional one), am I screwed?
Whats the worst that can happen?

Thanks in advance, sorry if I posted it in the wrong forum btw.

were you alone or with a driver who had passed their test

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Caught speeding, even before you've got your provisional licence? Are you for real? If so, what sort of nutcase are you? Yup, I'd say you're screwed all right.

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Keep right on to the end of the road ...

Yes. I believe no license = no insurance which is a criminal offence (I think).

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

I have a provisional license and I was alone, I was doing 38-40 on a 30 max road.

don't ever do it again! (untill you pass)
If you name yourself they will send you a fixed penalty notice for £60 and three points. That puts you half way to a ban as a new driver. So you are not totally sunk.

If your speed was over a threashold the will require your case to go streight to court. Photos may show that there was no co-driver

You would get good advice on the PePiPoo web site www.pepipoo.com read and post in the forums. This may help you reduce ther damage.

Get some lessons and pass yout test quick. This will help!

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

ooops

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racking my little brain is the license number different on a provisional to a full one, my provisional was on a slate

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Why?

Hopefully, see comment on next quote

If the photo's do show there was no co-driver, you can be expected to be charged with driving without a licence, and driving without insurance. If you do not have a full licence holder supervising, your insurance is invalid.

Depends on whether they investigate I guess. If they ask if you had a supervising driver, and you say yes, then the photo's prove otherwise, you could be looking at other charges.

Get the photos....


Bloody good idea - do it straight away


Sorry, I have got to flame you. What the hell makes you think you have a right to drive without supervision on a provisional license? Unless of course you were on a scoot, then ignore the bits about supervising drivers....

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Sorry I can't believe you are even giving this moron any advice.

Listen you knew you should not be out without anyone beside you, you know it means you have no insurance and IMHO you need to get advice somewhere else.

No sympathy just a bloody shame that there's not enough police on the streets to have caught you so you can't worm your way out of it or even better to have given you enough concern that you wouldn't have done it in the first place.

FWIW everybody I think that advice to the unlicensed, uninsured, drunk and dangerous about how to avoid prosecution and indeed such advice to people who face a speeding charge (beyond that they look at pepipoo) brings this foum into disrepute.

We are a road safety campaign. Yes I know there are many who frequent here and Pepipoo but we will never be truly accepted for what we are if we do not make the distinction.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

Your driver number on your provisional licence is the same as when you pass a test an obtain a full one. Once DVLA issue a licence with a driver number that number remains with you throughout,so the offences that you committ are 1. Excess Speed 2. Drive other than in Accordance with a driving licence. Then if you havent taken out insurance you will get stung for that, if you have taken out insurance under false or misleading information then you will be covered for third party at the least, the insurance company cant renage on it once they agree to it especially if you hit someone. Take your punishment like a man dont listen to them when they say try and get off with it. Im sure most people on here wouldnt like it if you hit them and then tried to get off with it leaving them or their inurance company fitting the bill.
Stephen

option 1. every one blanks this lad and he becomes a unliscenced, untrained driver. He continues to drive till he has a serious accident.

option 2. He gets some advice and training. He takes a slap on the wrist. He takes his test. he is a safer option

I have spent too many days in court waiting rooms and know this senario too well.

If this case heads to court, he would be in a far better position in the court and for the rest of his life with a full driving liscence.

An we would be in a better, safer position.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I do have a provisional license also got my theory passed, Im not some kid who just went out driving recklessly on the road, I've done over 40 lessons past summer and drove on 3 different cars since then for a long period of time, I just never got around to taking the practical test which I should have time to coming holidays.

Thinking back, I now remember that I did have passengers in the car, 2 of them. I got the dates mixed.

I came here for advice, not to be thrown insults at.
Thanks to those that actually bothered with advice.

I was involved in an accident with a woman who so far, after 6 months, has refused to hand over any insurance details. My insurance company and solicitor believe this woman was driving without insurance. I have no sympathy for you and anyone who does this knowingly. I have to pay for legal protection on my insurance to ensure that I get some protection from your like.

You were in the wrong and have been caught.

Act like an adult, stop making excuses and accept the punishment.

Oh ...and get a licence. Would you let someone operate on you if they "had read all the books and filled in the forms but didnt get round to taking the doctors exams....."

We've all made a few bad decisions in our time hasta. I think most here would say that getting flashed by a camera doesn't make you a bad person.

But

The whole point about driving is the huge responsibility that is put on your shoulders. You may be taking this responsibility very seriously, (-that's great if you have) but it doesn't really show in your posts.

I don't see a need to be judgemental in a case like this.

It's very much in the interests of society that we should have an appropriate system of punishment for unlicenced drivers - and we do.

My personal bet is that our new visitor will pay the fixed penalty on the speeding ticket and that will be the end of it - the scammers won't check licence entitlements.

If there are judgements to be handed out (by us) it should be against the camera based system that allows such behaviours to become more commonplace. Thier actions foster the believe that 'only speed matters'.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

The rest of us have to stick to the rules hasta, what makes you think you are any different?. I want to drive artics and I probably could - I know all the tacho law and other relevant laws and regulations, but until I have passed my theory, medical and 2 practicals I can't.

Taking a test only takes a few hours - I managed to fit mine in around my a-levels without any problems at all.

Were your '2 passengers' qualified drivers who had held their full licences for 3 years? If they weren't then they don't count.

Like Patch said, we are not a forum of petrol heads who think that there should be no enforcement of the rules. We are a serious and committed road safety campaign. We don't just dole out sympathy and advice to anyone who has been hard done by. Pay the fine and just hope to god that they don't start digging, or it'll be more than £60 and 3 points you'll have to live with.

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Woah! I think it is appropriate to voice disapproval of deliberate law breaking, but there are of course ways of going about it.



Woah again! There is an element of 'It woz society wot made me do it guv!" in here. And its stretching the point to make a connection between someone driving unlicenced and the road safety messages transmitted by the speed camera regime.

This highlights the shortcomings of relying on cameras to police the roads for us.
I think Paul is probably quite correct inasmuch as the NiP will be returned with the licence number on it, an FPN will be issued, the £60 will be added to the coffers, 3 points will be added to the provisional licence and that will be the end of it.
The question as to whether the Scamera Pratnerships take the time to confirm with DVLA whether the licence is provisional, check the photo(s) and then require the identity and licence status of the passenger/supervising driver to be given and confirmed is a matter of conjecture. In the overall 'scam' of things they probably won't bother so long as they get the cash without any further problem.
A real policeman, of course, would stop the accused, check his licence and insurance, and MoT and tax, then proceed to deal with him as an unqualified driver driving without supervision, thus making the roads safer for all of us, which is as it should be.
And now the accused has remembered he was accompanied, it will be interesting if his supervising driver will put his/her name to any official document, bearing in mind that to do so could, if untrue, land that person in prison for a few months, especially if the photo shows the driver to have been alone.
I don't want to be judgemental here, but I do have little sympathy with inexperienced and unqualified drivers who drive unsupervised in excess of any speed limit. It's a bit silly really!