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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 20:28 
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Heard various ideas on Congestion charging in midlands - this article only refers to Birmingham, but radio/tv news seems to mention it in same vein as road pricing aka tools

Link to icBirmingham

ALSO ON THIS SITE - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/repor ... ing2.shtml

and others.

rather long link, can mod trim it please. - done :)

On Hard shoulder the way it appeared to be put over was that the idea was to go into practice on the M42 VERY SHORTLY.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 21:58 
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The team want to encourage innovative solutions like car-sharing centres at motorway service stations


Oh yes, they are already charging for parking on service stations.

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one stretch of the M1 are doing highly-dispersed round trips of more than 86 miles a day.


76 for me. get on at J21, get off at J25. I used to walk to work but I got made redundant a couple of times so now I have to travel.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Many of these journeys would be tortuous by bus and train.


No sh*t

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Hi Botach.

Botach wrote:
rather long link, can mod trim it please.


All you need to do is copy this bit of code onto a word document or learn it.
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The xxxx is where the link goes.

It will then appear as mega link on the board.

Not a criticism, simply incase you want to do it yourself. :wink:

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Motorway Madness?


By Roger Harrabin
Environment Correspondent



Progress of the Regional Studies, Due to Report Throughout the Year

In Yorkshire the study shows that over half the commuters on one stretch of the M1 are doing highly-dispersed round trips of more than 86 miles a day. And every year local councillors make matters worse with new business parks straddling the M1 and generating even more traffic. Many of these journeys would be tortuous by bus and train.

The best long-term solution, consultant Denvil Coombe says, is to persuade people to think twice about moving far from work by charging them for using congested motorways or city streets. The cash could instead be spent on trains and buses.

The team want to encourage innovative solutions like car-sharing centres at motorway service stations. Their research suggests that charges of 20p per rush-hour kilometre in towns and 2p per kilometre on the motorway would stem two-thirds of projected traffic growth.

The Cambridge team recommend motorway-style roads ringing the town, but diluted their charging proposals after opposition from councillors (critics warn that traffic into Cambridge may increase by 30% as a result.)

The East Midlands M1 team say 10 lanes of motorway may be needed to accommodate commuters around Nottingham, but are ambivalent about motorway charging because it would divert traffic and discriminate against poorer drivers. But they conclude: "Can we build our way out of congestion? The answer seems to be no!"

The Birmingham-Manchester study (West Midlands to North West Conurbation Multi-Modal Study, MIDMAN) says the M6 in Staffordshire should be expanded, but then tolled in the future. The separate West Midlands study wants to widen the M42 but restrict the M6 through Birmingham to its current width. It urges Birmingham and Wolverhampton to price roads soon, with wider pricing to follow.

The South Scotland study is grappling with similar ideas, as the team studies maps showing drivers commuting coast-to-coast from the west of Glasgow to the east of Edinburgh. While a few members consider this a matter of voter choice, the majority are said to be concerned about the trend.

The M25 study - again being advised by Denvil Coombe - think a new road pricing policy in the suburbs of London would be politically impossible, while the new Outer M25 proposed by some motoring groups would encourage even longer commuting. Research for the M25 team shows that the majority of commuters hop onto the motorway for just one or two junctions to ease their journey to work. There is a strong case for making them pay - or for installing ramp metering (traffic lights at junctions).

Find out more about the congestion charging debate.

LINKS
Transport 2000 - Transport think tank
South/West Yorkshire Multi-Modal Study (SWYMMS)
Cambridge to Huntingdon Multi-Modal Study (CHUMMS)

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Leeds has road which has a car share lane - CCTV camera enforced - sure I read this somewhere - telecat mentioned according to Wildy :neko: (dunno how she remembers these things... :roll: )


But if I've to pay to use these roads - then perhaps we could restrict new drivers and have a decent speed limit on them :twisted: Only way you'd sell the idea.... :wink:

Tonight's "MEN has a small piece on it "Drivers facing Toll by 2011" - source is "Autocar".

Back to GPS satellite tracking again - shall just have to make sure we drive through a lot of tunnels and l beneath long bridges then . :wink:

According to this - we PAY £30 for the device for each car - but "Autocar" has guestimated admin costs alone will be £23 billion. Hmm - will make scam fleecing look small change then. This does not include added costs of signs and apparently each of the current lollipops costs almost £1000 each - manufacture - delivery - labour ....


Roy Aherne of "Autocar": "If you live in or near a major city - keep an eye on local press as this will creep in in one form or another sooner of later"

However - Manchester City Council and the Passenger Transport Executive have so far opposed congestion charging - saying that expansion of Metrolink and better bus /local train services would have to be in place before any such scheme coyuld be considered.

(Lib Dems said they would expand this - but -er - they are not in control of the Manchester council)

Mr Brake :? Yup - that's what the "MEN" says :roll: pledged his Lib Dem Party would keep up the pressure on the government to expand Metrolink as he thinks the trams are a great idea.

Er - they are quite expensive to use Mr Brake. :? :shock:

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IanH wrote:
Hi Botach.

Botach wrote:
rather long link, can mod trim it please.


All you need to do is copy this bit of code onto a word document or learn it.
Code:
[url=xxxx]mega link[/url]
:)

The xxxx is where the link goes.

It will then appear as mega link on the board.

Not a criticism, simply incase you want to do it yourself. :wink:


Many thanks Ian- wondered how you did it - always said trafpols are marvelous


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Interesting bit about the M1 toll suggestion.

I used to get on at J21 and off at J25. Then the road works started on the A52 and now I get off at 23A, go along the A50 then up the A38. 5 miles further but 10 mins quicker. I thought that everyone would use this route but most seem happy to sit in the que

I can see that if they charged for the M1 I could cut it out altogether and go up the A6.

May even cut a few more mins of the journey time... :wink:

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