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Lancs were enforcing certainly at 33mph, with the option of a speed awareness course. I think they have now trimmed back to 35mph (not sure)



Cumbria and a few other forces have operated on the 10% + 2 rule, deciding that the enforcement starts at that threshold, rather than above it. Camera equipment was therefore set at 34 to record speeders at 35 and over.

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Ian

hi rigpig,

in the nicest possible way, I can not accept for one moment your view about the authoroties.

To all intents and purposes these schemes are run by the council with the authority given to them by the police .
EVERY scheme comes with a proposed biz niz plan, ie profit and loss.
I have seen on forums/minutes partnerships claiming to of made a profit and saved 100's of lives.. rocking horse sh*t . They have simply imposed a TOLL TAX and made some peoples lives a misery.

They are also nailing people more than once ! hence the number of banned drivers. My next door neighbour twice in ten minutes going to and from the collection for the sunday paper . They do believe, if they can slow thirty percent of the population down, then everyone else must follow as it's impossible to overtake !!!

I do agree, the assumptions are niave, very much based on very wonky , perverse statisitics.

In the meantime, the council manage to undermine the authority of the police force, and the good will the police force relies on. I for one, now wave two fingers at every police car I see.. I hate with a vengance.

Maybe I am just one, but some how I don't thinks so. For every time
the word speed camera is mentioned in a public meeting, or on t.v. it is with derision. When they are the butt of comedians jokes, u know the battle is completly lost.

rgds
Bill

For safety’s sake, it is right that there is a speed limit, and a limit on the severity and number of slips we make. As for an ‘ideal top speed’, there is none – I use the limit as an absolute top speed and I try not to go over it. These things can catch the unwary (and even the wary) – all it takes is a slip, but we can easily afford a small risk of a piddly little NIP – it’s no big deal on it’s own.

I say drivers should chill out – there is little dishonour in receiving a warning and a token fine. It is a sign that everybody knows about our little slips and will continue to tolerate us - up to a point. We have 3 warning shots across our bows before we get banned. People who make truly small slips (as we all do), from time to time should be allowed an extra couple of warnings. And it’s good riddance to yobbos who make big slips all the time.

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Motorways, make them unlimited except for clearly defined and signed 'danger spots'.

As for towns, leave as is. 20mph is a gimmick.

50's and 60's (urban duals etc) god only knows but lets make it consistant.

No it isn't, that's the problem.

The chavs / boy racers / etc know where the cameras are, and avoid them - preferring instead to driver around housing estates, etc where they can make people's lives a misery. Add to this the fact that the number of unregistered drivers has reached epidemic levels, and the fact that magistrates still consider that issuing driving bans to people without licences is a form of deterrent and you start to see why cameras very rarely catch geniunely dangerous drivers.

And despite the protestation of innocence from ACPO, cameras HAVE led to a reduction in trafpol numbers, and are doing irrepairable damage to the relationship between police and public.

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Policemen should walk or cycle around in those districts at dusk, noting any vehicle that is untaxed, or unregistered and drawing up a list of vehciles that he can check on his mobile computer. When he's done, the tow truck guys should take any car that doesn't check out straight to the pound and strip it for parts after a week has passed. Why isn't that happening?

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Perhaps they value their skins too much. If they were seen walking or cycling around certain estates, their life expectancy would possibly average a few hours.

BTW you haven't answered my question on another thread.

Cheers
Peter

Simple - resources.

We do from time to time operate with DVLA clamping units (when we can book one) and have a purge - but actually it's far more effective to run an ANPR operation. It's better to start at one end of an estate and flush the rats out onto one main road where we can queue them and nick them in a controlled environment.

Manning levels mean that ALL of my team need to be very close to their vehicles, in order to respond to calls elsewhere. We can call on PCSOs or normal relief when we need to, but like all front line resources my unit isn't the only one calling on their support.

The chance of a good kicking doesn't deter us though - we simply call in the "riot" support lads, we don't tolerate no-go areas round here.

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basingwerk:

another question

how the hell do you copy someone else's remark and paste it on your answer !!!!

If you click on the QUOTE button in the post you want, the software does it for you like this post.
If you only want to select a part of a post, swipe it and copy it in the normal way, then create a new post.
Click the QUOTE button which is above the dialogue box, and you will get a [ Quote ] box. Paste your quote, and then click the QUOTE box again, and it will close the quote with a [/ Quote].
If you wish to attribute the quote, edit the FIRST [ Quote ] by inserting the name thus.... [Quote="camera operator" ] and the software will post it as camera operator wrote followed by the quote.

I have had to insert spaces in the [ brackets ] above, in order to stop the software using them to form quotes!!!

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I would suggest that you use the Preview button rather than the Submit button, so you can see the results of your experiments - and only submit the post once you're satisfied.

A few points:

1) A quote must always start with a [quote ] tag and end with a [/quote ] tag, otherwise it won't work.
2) Tags must always be lowercase and not contain any spaces, or they won't work. Example: [Quote] won't work, and neither will [quote ]. The only place where spaces or capitals are permitted is within quotation marks, eg [quote="A camera operator"]


Cheers
Peter

You did'nt ask in the above post, but do you know how to add pictures?
You need to host your pictures somewhere online - Epson offer this service at http://www.epsonphoto.co.uk/welcome.jsp register and follow their instructions.
Then you right click the image and copy the url from the properties tab, come back to Safespeed post, and paste it between [Img ] [/Img ] brackets, and you picture will be displayed all the time it is hosted at that Url.

Now you know what to do, can we see your snaps?

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Are you sure you work for them even I think 80 is high enough. Seriously though, how about an 80 limit with police discretion on enforcing anyone under a ton?

BTW camera operator, just to add to what Ernest and Pete have said about tags and BB Code, there is a full guide here including how to use quotes as well as other stuff like text size and colours, lists etc. You can refer to it while posting any time you like. In the left of the posting window, just below the emoticons, there's a bit marked Options. You'll notice that on the second line of that bit "BBCode" is a link. It goes to the same guide which it opens in a new window so you can click between the two while you're doing your reply.

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At the end of the day, it is easier to extract £60 from someone who owns their own home and car and has them both insured, etc, etc. - Because they have something to lose.

When Mrs Middle-aged-woman drives past the camera at 37 in a 30 and gets the NIP, it's an easy £££SIXTY QUID£££.

But when you look at the 16 to 18 year old yob, who probably thieved the car any way - or if he didn't, he bought it in the wrong name, has no insurance, has bald tyres, defective brakes, no MoT - but who loves "doing donuts" and smoking the said tyres (why they're bald); getting them to court in the morning to face the beak - for whom they have no respect anyway - is a bit of a joke. They have no money anyway do why bother fining them????

And this is the problem. The policing doesn't follow the need - it follows the money. And it's being done in the most squalid, reprehensible of ways. Why should the police do all the rest of us a favour and nick half a dozen "hard core" teenage arseholes, when they can set up a camera on the main road and nick hundreds and hundreds of people drifting by, no more than a handful of MPH over the limit????

Easy money!

Most 'victims' of the Safety Camera THEFT scheme don't complain, they don't fight, they don't argue: All they do is PAY.

That's why I get pissed off when I have my intelligence insulted. This is NOT about safety. This is about money, and these thieving bastards will abuse the law to extract as much in the way of easy cash as they can until enough of us do something about it.

I personally advocate the extensive use of the ballot box with 'non-hurting', 'non-distructive' auxilliary actions. Like putting black plastic bags on cameras. Like en-bloc removing (or covering) number plates en-masse when attending anti-speed-camera protests.

As much as I hate these things, I can't advocate their destruction (or any other form of vandalism - and I don't count covering one with a black bin liner as vandalism, although it is technically "criminal damage" as well), nor do I advocate violence against their operatives. But I am one voice. How many others are there who say nothing but take the law into their own hands and wreck these things? How long is it going to be before someone like Scamera Operator is hurt by a disgruntled motorist???

This is what worries me most of all. The damage to the police's image and the complete breakdown in respect for the law - from middle aged (and older) people, who traditionally ARE the establishment.

I pray that soon or even sooner, the powers that be will do something about this!!!

Yes and no, I think. It is about safety, though they've yet to realise that it's not working. But since they've tried to get safer roads on the cheap it is certainly very much about money too. And that's why it isn't working. If something is cheap there's a reason for it, which more often than not is that it doesn't work properly. If it has to be really cheap then it probably won't be worth the price in the long run. Sadly on the roads the price of cheap road safety isn't only monetary.


I hate 'em too, but I'd avoid the bin liner treatment if I were you. Two reasons - first, jokes about damaging cameras are one thing if it's clear that it shouldn't be taken seriously, but I feel that if we even seem to be advocating criminal damage, even of the bin liner variey, we could start to lose the moral high ground and credibility. Better that we get them ripped up by winning the argument against their use. Second, be very wary of the curtain twitching anti car mob - you never know who might be prepared to dob you in. Okay, that might only last until one of the damn things catches them out and they become a convert, but could be a bit late if you've already finsihed the community service. On the same note, remember the story of Steve Harding? He stood with a home made sign warning of a speed trap a few hundred yards down the road, not even so much as getting within spitting distance of the camera (talivan in that case), but arrested for obstructing a police officer, fined and slapped down with a driving ban. You do not have to do a great deal to get a disproportionately harsh kicking when it comes to cameras.

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I will clarify that I would only advocate such token protest en-masse to run along and accompany a slow procession along a given route where, additionally, number plates had been covered by everyone too.

Yes, I want to hold the high moral ground - just demonstrate how stupid this is and how easy it is to defeat the zealots and get some decent publicity

Well what about me Basingwerk, I do 70k a year but yet obviously dont get 7x the amount of points as an average motorist. If I get a "piddly little NIP", it means I have to drive 210,000 miles before I get a clean licence back. Thats certainly a 'big deal' to me. I'm not alone, thing about all the truckers and the van drivers etc etc. How can the law be fair when someone who only drives 5k gets the same 'tolerance from society'. Surely someone who manages to clock up 12 points in 15000 miles of driving is worse then someone who clocks up 12 points in 210000 miles? Yet we would be both be treated identically in the eyes of the law.

I think Basingwerk is busy organising his pen collection