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Biggest mistake is people like you.
People like you who seem to think you have some kind of right to "police" us without our consent.
We dont consent to this kind of "policing", we abhor it, we reject it and we despise it.

You fat morons sit out there on a perfectly safe road and turn it into a hazard area while screwing peoples wallets over for a quick buck and watching people die while you play stat games. The Mob would be proud of you, youre nothing but thieves and liars all.

You break the rules of the highway code and the traffic laws designed to govern the rest of us, with impunity and then have the barefaced cheek to tell us youre raping our wallets for some kind of "safety" function.

Id like to tell you what i feel about what you do, but i fear Pauls profanity filter would have a seizure, and apart from that youre most likely too thick to understand words of more than two syllables anyway.

What you do remids me of a joke i once heard...no not CSCP (thats another one) but this one:

A man is driving down the road when passing over a bridge a cop jumps out at the end and radars the unwary driver, proceeding to then stop him.

The driver gets the usual "this speed in this limit, wheres your driver ID" etc etc.
After a few moments, the cop decides that the driver is worthy of a few insults, so the cop tells him he smells and he hasnt even got a job.

The driver responds that he has got a job; a real good job.
The cop asks what it is and the driver then proceeds to tell him about it.

"Im a rectum stretcher" the driver says.
"A rectum stretcher?" says the cop.
"Yup"
"Hows that work then?" says the cop, his curiosity getting the better of him.
" Well first i get a finger inside and i start to stretch. Then i get a coupla fingers inside and stretch it a bit more."
The cop is entranced by the visuals going off in his head as the driver continues: " Then i get 1 hand inside, then the other and i stretch it to about 6 feet wide."
The cop cant contain himself any longer and asks;" Hell i never heard of such a thang! Whut the hell do you do with a 6 foot asshole boy?"
The driver responds, " Well i guess you put it on the end of a bridge with a radar gun."..... before driving slowly away.

Nighty night.

Here's what 'WE' are doing..

Manifesto

Yes I read it but what are you doing about it

Lending support. Informing anyone and everyone I come into contact with who is interested in reading/listening to the SafeSpeed message. All unpaid and voluntary.

So, remind us again.... what is it you are doing apart from earning money from telling lies?

I see! so you are not actually doing anything about it apart from spreading rumours and hearsay. I think thats called GOSSIP!!!!! but at least it makes you happy.

Yes and No would be the answers to the other to. Along with deciding strategy, working with other agencies, identifying problem areas, talking to the public, looking at other solutions. Oh I could go on but then You would say its all lies again and go and spread some more gossip!

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No! the number of people dying on the roads is going up after years of going down. It's a fact,not rumour or hearsay, even Brunstrome admits it.

If you want more than gossip, tell us where I can view the details of accidents at Ings. Do accidents OUTSIDE the 40 mph limit count towards the site justification incidents? When and where were the three additional KSI collisions last year?
YOU have stated you would not rely on men in pubs to determine road safety policy, yet you are "enforcing" a limit which was introduced as the result of a campaign by such a group.
Yes there have been accidents at Ings, but can you prove they were the result of exceeding 40 mph? Or are you prepared to allow me access to the causes, and see for myself? Or are you just going to continue whingeing that we spread gossip and rumour?
Give us some substance!!!

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Dear JJ / Steve / CSCP / whoever,

This forum is concerned with road safety. Most of the contributors to this forum are concerned individuals discussing this serious issue.

Official policy and the execution thereof is one of the major issues being discussed.

You, as public servants, are accountable to the public, and not the other way around.

You haven't yet said anything which might convince us otherwise.

When you first appeared on this forum I actually looked forward to some good, well-reasoned arguments we could debate - based on sound science and research. Who knows, you might have persuaded many of us.

But no, no such reasoned debate was forthcoming was it? all we got was the same old tired soundbites.

Totally agree about the same old soundbites, you had your chance for well reasoned arguments and debate then blew it by throwing accusations and in some cases being down right rude. So until I see that you are serious about road safety and have not just got a gripe about the safety cameras ( which by the way you all have not a clue about the way we operate) you will get no answers from me.

You really are determined to make yourself a complete laughing stock aren't you?

Given that, why won't you face me on Radio Cumbria?

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Cos he'd get ripped to shreds. Game, set and match to Safespeed.

I don't wish to appear unduly offensive, and I know that I've only been a contributor to this bb for a couple of months, but I've done some fairly extensive reading of "back issues", and frankly I can't see anything that you've "contributed" that wasn't either condescending, patronising or fatuous - often all three at the same time. If you consider that we "haven't a clue about the way [you] operate" why not disabuse us of our quaint ideas about road safety?

My gut-feeling is that, in fact, you can't - because "your castle is built upon sand".

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Hmm, well even if we are allegedly spreading "rumours and hearsay" at least we aren't trying to derive a living from our particular brand! No vested interests here, no financial gain to be made from what we are doing!!

Can you say the same...?

No, didn't think so...

Can't say anything much, others have already pretty much said what I was going to - except what makes you think that we haven't a clue how you operate? Some of us might know a lot more than you think.

BTW I lost all interest in debating with you when it became apparent that you aren't who you say you are.
Masquerading as somebody else is downright despicable.

Throwing accusations? You mean like questioning whether I had seen incidents I reported on the forum? Or questioning whether the Talivan was present when I showed a picture of it hidden in the extensive undergrowth?
Or saying I called you a Nazi, when I suggested that suspension from your forum was a short term measure, compared to Nazis, who burned all the books they wanted to keep from their populace?

If we dont know how you operate, I can only suggest that you must be keeping something from the public, and it is you who is to blame.
Perhaps you feel we have not given credit for your leaflet campaigns, or online driving tips?
Of course you did'nt write them yourself, you cribbed them from other sites, and until I pointed out the ommission, you had no link to the online Highway Code!

Credit where it's due - I dont think we had quite so many fatalities before you started, and seemed to have a better record of long term decline in fatals!
So while you have got your head up out of the sand long enough to post, how about telling us where I can view the details of accidents at Ings. Do accidents OUTSIDE the 40 mph limit count towards the site justification incidents? When and where were the three additional KSI collisions last year?
Are you prepared to allow me access to the causes, and see for myself?

Give us some substance, or are you SO afraid that your actions will not standup to scrutiny????

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Aw - now I watched that documentary about life for a submariner - they were a lot ruder in "Das Boot" than we are...

But still if you will act like nanny...



Of course - we have a gripe about scams - they are not where they are supposed to be safetywise. We all know this. Wildy posted on PH thread about driving as passenger with our then learner son in Preston. They'd gone to Blackpool for the day along all the A roads to give him a work out on unfamiliar roads. Anyway, Wildy took full advantage of being a passenger and sincerely regrets not filming what she observed on this ride out. Apart from the numpties - which William coped with perfectly well - Wildy was observing driver behaviour on the A6 where the useful gadget (they were in her car) was screaming away at the scams there. There were five on the A6 - less than a mile apart in the centre. She watched drivers literally checking the speedos several times up to point of passing the scam and then checking to see if had flashed on passing. This was each age range in heavy but free flowing traffic conditions. Speed limit was 30 mph. On a dual carriageway it was dead on joining from the slip road onto a 40 ph zone which once was 50 mph - and another dual carriageway (A6 - heading up to Chorley ) - the scam was at the bottom of a fairly steep gradient. No dangers at all. No pelican roundabout and the cenral reserve had a high fencing - so no danger of anyone crossing the road. Pure greed scam if ever there was one. Area was worth testing our son on - she's thorough. They also came across a minor rear ender some way past one of these scams as well. As Wildy says - pity she could not film but she was in "instructor mode" and having to surpervise William at the time.

Now no way are all those scams justified on the A6 as not in pedestrian zone - and if they want a scam at all - why not place at the big traffic light intersection - where arguably there is a danger. More to road safety than a speed camera - and it is about knowing and understanding your car and your own skill levels - which is where a constant input about COAST and road safety tips are more useful than doing away with traffic police and sticking up cameras. I am sure Ian does a fine job - but I do not see as many of his type as I used to when I first moved here - which is a sign that there are less BiB on the road.

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I've seen these too - he had a right go at me on PH about it when I mentioned it Then ticked off my wife again whilst he was there ...



They said the French Revolution ate its children too

And the scams have eaten into licences of the children of the officer who promoted the wretched things before Brunstrom and has since refelcted that they do not really prevent accidents or bad driving. Even Brainstorm admitted it once.... allegedly - and must be true as he never refuted it.


And cribbed from the RAC and AA as well....

Will give Steve credit for one thing though - he shares same view, I think, as we all do about those damned cycle "lanes!" - and he did give me another target to vent my spleen over them again....




I would also like the answers to this too.

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

Well a year and a half on, and the questions are still unanswered, and the fatals seem set to hit yet another all time high under the stewardship of the "Safety" Cameras.
Such a tragic waste of life, while they sit back and get paid to oversee the persecution of drivers who at best (or worst) MIGHT be responsible for 3-5% of accidents.
It's sad, that real policemen are a rare sight on our roads nowadays, and in spite of their dedication to their duties, a number of drivers are escaping detection. I have first hand experience of how thinly they are spread at certain times of the day or night, but cannot blame the police for this, it is a political issue of funding.

Recent news reports say drink driving is once more increasing, fewer and fewer drivers are being caught driving without due care, and I am sure you have all thought "where is a policeman when you need one" as you witness a driver perform stupid and dangerous manouvres - has that increased? I find myself praying that they are stupid enough to get caught by a talivan or fixed camera... but the stats show this is not happening.

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