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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:22 
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Privatising Britain’s road network would raise more than £150bn. This could be used to phase out motoring taxes.


Privatise road network

Yeah. Phase-out motoring taxes. Not. A. Chance.
More public money thrown away. Oh, and your road would be your responsibility to repair yourself.
Bucket of tar anyone ?
I won't even mention the recently privatised Cambs hospital that has had to be bailed-out by the local health authority......at a 4 million cost......but then...the company running it was a good political contributor..

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:53 
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Privatising Britain’s road network would raise more than £150bn. This could be used to phase out motoring taxes.


Privatise road network

Yeah. Phase-out motoring taxes. Not. A. Chance.
More public money thrown away. Oh, and your road would be your responsibility to repair yourself.
Bucket of tar anyone ?
I won't even mention the recently privatised Cambs hospital that has had to be bailed-out by the local health authority......at a 4 million cost......but then...the company running it was a good political contributor..

Yes, I heard this too. Daft IMO. It's just another attempt to introduce "big brother" road tolling by the back door.

The only advantage I can see is that it would get the plebs off the roads and make it nicer for me. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 20:47 
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I think it's a wonderful idea, having the private sector looking after the roads! I mean, it's worked so well with the rail infrastructure... :roll:


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I think it's a wonderful idea, having the private sector looking after the roads! I mean, it's worked so well with the rail infrastructure... :roll:


Bit OT ,but before NR made all the contractors bankrupt,by refusing contracts, we used to get called into safety meetings with NR, on the subject of "Near Misses" & safety. Any time I've seen a NR working party out on track, I shudder.I still do , when I take the dog for a walk over a rail bridge and see a NR party out on track .

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Denationalising Britain’s roads would raise more than £150bn, new research shows
28 Oct 2012

New research argues that the government should go denationalise the entire road network
application/pdf iconWhich Road Ahead - Government or Market?
application/pdf iconExecutive Summary

The government has outlined plans to allow road pricing on new infrastructure. They should go further and denationalise the entire road network.

Privatising Britain’s road network would raise more than £150bn. This could be used to phase out motoring taxes. It would not only deliver a better road network for Britain’s drivers, but would also cost motorists less than the current system.

The growing number of successful privately built and operated roads around the world – often in developing countries – also strengthens the case for ending state control.

Britain’s road network is poor
· Across the world, state-owned roads are characterised by endemic congestion, high accident rates, poor maintenance and wasteful investment. The estimated cost of congestion in the UK alone is £20bn a year. Adjusting for traffic levels, Britain has a far smaller motorway network that most other major economies.
· The government is biased towards public transport over road investment, and cost-benefit analyses are often ignored. Road schemes have been cancelled with benefit-cost ratios three times higher than High Speed 2.

A privatised road network would be cheaper and faster for motorists

Allowing private owners to negotiate routes, set toll rates, control access and determine rules for users would:
1. Ensure more efficient use of existing capacity
2. Provide more efficient investment in new capacity
3. Allocate traffic flows more efficiently
4. Smooth traffic jams
5. Reduce the number of road accidents and fatalities
6. Allow innovations such as higher speed limits and heavier lorries

Road users would pay less under a privatised road network than they do at the moment and would have a better quality network. For example, tolls for cars could be as little as 6p per mile on a brand new motorway. For most cars, this would be less than the fuel duty currently paid. Charges for using existing parts of the network would generally be even cheaper than this.

A plan to privatise
· Denationalising the road network would involve phasing out taxes applied specifically to the road sector, such as fuel duty and Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax).
· The reform of transport taxation could be part funded by transfer of new road construction to the private sector, thereby reducing government spending on the road network. New infrastructure could be funded by tolls, property development, or some combination of the two.
· The privatisation of the network of strategic roads alone could yield about £150bn if motoring taxes were cut and pricing introduced. The revenues raised from the sale of roads should be used to reduce motoring taxes. Inefficient taxes would therefore be replaced by an efficient system of tolls.
· Further revenue from privatisation could arise from the sale of roads that are not currently classed as trunk roads but which have most of the characteristics of trunk roads and which could be gradually privatised – this could include ring roads. Additional revenue would also arise from the privatisation of roads owned by local authorities that were sold to businesses or local residents.
· Local residents, individually where appropriate, but more typically in voluntary associations, should be given the ‘right to own’ the residential roads adjoining their properties. A simple transfer process should be introduced, similar to the UK’s ‘right-to-buy’ programme for social housing.
· Policymakers need to learn from the process of rail privatisation. Trying to achieve political objectives through privatisation, rather than withdrawing properly results in massive distortions, as has occurred with the rail network. These are then blamed on the market, but are actually a result of government interference.

Commenting on the report, one of its authors, Dr Richard Wellings, Head of Transport at the Institute of Economic Affairs, said:

“For too long British drivers have had to pay over the odds for a road network that is simply not up to scratch. It is lamentable that this vital area of infrastructure has been neglected by government after government. Denationalising the network would ensure British motorists had better roads to drive on. It would also be much cheaper and mean an end to the enormous burden of motoring taxes like fuel duty.”

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To arrange an interview about the publication please contact Stephanie Lis, Communications Officer: slis@iea.org.uk or 07766 221 268.
The mission of the Institute of Economic Affairs is to improve understanding of the fundamental institutions of a free society by analysing and expounding the role of markets in solving economic and social problems. The IEA is a registered educational charity and independent of all political parties.
What they fail to comprehend is that this might raise a 'little' money now but the cost will continue then forever and it will cost us too, as we end up all having to pay more to ensure all the private companies running it all make a healthy profit, whereas the Government run organisation runs only to serve the public - so 'sort of' at 'cost' only. It is a short sighted money grabbing venture that is unlikely to improve the roads long term and so not really save any money ! The hospitals that have been changed over from what I have seen are in a horrid mess IMHO.
Who said that there is a 'case to end State Control' ? What does that mean - we have the rules and regs run by whatever whim someone else fancies?
Do they then get convinced by Speed camera salesmen, that all roads become profit making Highways for all their mates ?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 08:41 
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So, what would be the cost of the monitoring and billing systems? How much would the complaints/disputes infrastructure cost? Will these be run privately?

If these are Government run then a tax (let's call it Vehicle Excise Duty) would have to be levied on road users to pay for them. If private, would we get bills from umpteen companies every month for using roads in their area?

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In all probability it would be a form of direct debit.
Something like autopay on the London congestion charge.
Mind you, Germany has been "trialing" road charging on behalf of the eu for some years now, and you'll note that various schemes have been looked-at: (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmtran/103/10311.htm
All require that they be privately administered because of political blame problems; nobody wants to carry the electoral can.
You should note that the galileo satellite system is being launched as we type, this is essential to eu-wide road charging.
Maybe people will awaken sometime to the amount of inter-country planning that is going-on behind our back. Not that the in-the-bankers-pockets "free" press give a hoot.....

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They must think we're completely stupid!!!! "getting rid of VED and fuel duty"???? (Aye, right!) Then we'll see what the roads really cost the government! Speaking as the husband of a wife with a Private Finance Initiative hospital albatross round her neck, I'm absolutely scared rigid by this! Everyone's going to tell us how well the M6 Toll works. I've used it myself and indeed it does - with enough people using it to pay for it AND make a profit for the shareholders, no doubt. Now let's see what happens to the B5301 through Parsonby... :roll:

Like the 2nd class letter to South Uist, or the train service round the Cumbrian coast, or the rural bus service, or rural District General Hospitals....

....THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THEM!!!!!


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Like the 2nd class letter to South Uist, or the train service round the Cumbrian coast, or the rural bus service, or rural District General Hospitals....

....THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THEM!!!!!


Locally ,we've got the movement of childrens facilities to a major hospital. It's like going back 40 years ,to when we lived up north. Local hospital had maternity unit+ midwifes, but no resident doctor. Women were transported in labour 65 miles over Highland roads t0o give birth ( if they were lucky) .Some didn't get there ,and I'd suspect that a lot of birth certs say ,place of bitrth" layby on the shores of Loch Ness".

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http://assets.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2012-18/consultation-document.pdf

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The Future of Transport, published in July 2004, set out a long-term strategy for a modern, efficient and sustainable transport system backed up by sustained high levels of investment over 15 years. Effective management of the road network is a key part of this. The introduction of free-flow charging, to replace schemes operated with barriers and booths, is one way of managing congestion on the road network.
This document seeks views on a proposal to provide for the fair and effective enforcement of road user charging schemes in accordance with the Transport Act 2000 (“TA 2000”). The provisions contained in the proposal will be implemented by regulations made under the TA 2000, the Road User Charging Schemes (Enforcement) (England) Regulations


Well worth a read, and maybe a response.
Particularly because your vehicle will/may be seized if payment is not made and before any possible appeal CAN be made.

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WHEN this happens it'll be time to take the baseball bat (or air pistol) out for some exercise.

Oh dear.. The ANPR cameras have been vandalised again

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WHEN this happens it'll be time to take the baseball bat (or air pistol) out for some exercise.

Oh dear.. The ANPR cameras have been vandalised again


Possibly the paint gun with quick dry non water based paint.

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