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A governor on all cars will be the logical next step, we can all look forward to.

Well within the technology, easy to apply, and enforce. How can anyone argue against it?

Anyone?

It'd be deadly. See this:
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1033

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Those who want to drive legally on 130 kph motorways on the Continent, for a start...

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Obviously a question from the hard of thinking.

Try reading some of the othere safety stuff on this forum. Then you will see how daft your post is.

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Speed camera policy Kills

A limiter set for 70 will still allow drivers to travel at twice the limit in most built up areas. And for anyone tempted to use their car on the track you'll have a dull time. Within the technology so is a glass hammer. We've got enough problems with limiters on trucks, do we really want to extend it to another 30 million vehicles? Sorry, it's just not a substitute for teaching drivers to drive safely. Where technology can aid that, fine, but don't expect it to take over that responsibility.

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If I want a gadget to make sure I do not excced any speed limit on any road - I set my cruisie control and what we call our "useful gadget" (RA/b2) - yup - use one in my private car and see no problem with using one wisely )

Both gadgets make an audible warning when I am at or just marginally increasing limit and I can adjust accordingly.

We have means at disposal if we so need them. We do not need a limiter which could be deadly on motorways in Europe - especially parts of Germany - as Peter says.

I do drive on continent on my jollies - and I observe their rules whilst I am there. A UK car limited to 11.25 mph below their dry condition speed limit on a two lane motorway could be very dangerous - especially when you take slow moving articulateds into the equation and you have pulled into outer lane to overtake and Turbo Rolf storms up at more than twice your speed whilst you are overtaking...

Fors and against in any technology and I would rather see a human being retain skills and accept reposnibility for themselves instead of relying on some gadget to do their thinking for them

Because as Gatsobait so rightly points out - leaves them free to use inappropriate speed in built up area or in poor weather conditions.

More reliant on gadgets you become - less you think for yourself and that, my friend, is very dangerous..

Said it before - I will repeat - we need to improve driver training and testing.

We can do that via police, adverts, governmenent policies, and training incentives. Focusing on one area of driving standards is not improving the whole.

Is it not rather worrying that even a driver trained to be the best on our roads feels the need to use "useful gadgets" to ensure that he is adhering to the speed limit?
If a first class police driver has come to the conclusion that he cannot concentrate on driving and at the same time stay within the speed limit without assistance, what hope is there for the untrained majority?

As In Gear said, 'useful gadget'.

For ANYBODY!

accept reposnibility - Isn't that an out dated concept? I was under the impression this government was trying to remove the need for an individual to accept responsibility, one either blames someone else or pays a fine to make it go away.

Well, it's a sad indictment of current speed enforcement policy which seems calculated to catch people out rather than to enhance safety.

I'm sure that IG, as a Class 1 Police driver, is fully capable of driving so that he's always at or below the speed limit. However, to avoid even the slightest chance of being caught out takes a lot of concentration, and so it is helpful having a GPS system and/or a vehicle speed limiter as a reminder so that he can apply that concentration outside the car.

I would imagine the average driver would find keeping within the limit at all times quite impossible over a ten-mile journey on mixed roads, unless he consciously set out to cruise about 10 mph below the limit at all times.

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Sure - I can "feel" the speed to ca 10% margin across the speedo range. But... after a hard day catching "villains" and driving at fast speeds - normal bloke .... it is like adjusting to 30mph limit after - say - 8 hour stint at 70 mph. Your body and senses have got used to seeing thing at a higher speed. I use it as reminder to rein in the speeds and adjust to more normal driving.

As Peter points out - we all drift slightly over a limit anyway ... hence my wine -influenced musings last night over what you might encounter over a routine half hour journey. Complex business -driving a car

Feel free to pick and choose whatever you like in that thread by the way... was just a few musings to attempt to show how all skills slot together to make up a whole...

Also ... visit relatives who live in Wales, Lancs, Cumbria, Cambs .... always handy to know if a school is tucked away down a side street (courtesy of the useful gadget) Of course, can recognise where they would set a genuine trap (done it myself ) etc, etc, etc. ....

Thus ......

No problem whatsoever with a responsible usage of "useful gadgets" and overspeed settings and cruise controls. Would have bit of a problem if ypu drove past using one certain dodgy gadget and jammed me other gadgets though.... That is not playing the game properly! It is against the rules!

In fact ... against the law!

Agreed, this was my point. Re-reading my post I see it could be taken as a dig at IG which was not my intention. I certainly find driving below, but close to the limit somewhat more difficult, and certainly more stressful, than driving close to the limit, but maybe a few mph above at times in the pre-scamera days.

After many months of reading virtually every post in these fora, I am forming the opinion that cameras are having the effect of reducing the number of motorists rather than the stated intention of reducing the number of accidents. Only time will tell whether cameras are really contributing to road safety. The relatively short time they've been operating is woefully inadequate for any meaningful statistical analysis. This statistical inadequacy is, in my opinion, Safespeed's strongest argument against the partnerships at this point in time. In twenty years time, should electronic enforcement persist, there may be sufficient data to make a solid statistical judgement. However, I suspect that by that time, most cars will have driver or GPS operated speed limiters and that the revenue currently generated will fall below that needed to fund the partnerships. The burden of maintaining the cameras will then have to be met by the general taxpayer along with the extra police needed to weed out those "problem" and careless motorists who will still be responsible for much of the carnage on our roads.

I don`t see the logic of limiting your top speed that is only legally capable on the safest roads in the uk, duel carrigeways and motorways?

only criminals, joyriders and the clinically stupid really travel above 70mph off these roads, so the limiter would be pointless as they would still be able to travel at the dangerous speeds, or do you often see people tearing down your local highstreet or side road doing 70mph?.

Regardless of what type of limiter is fitted, someone will find a way round it.
All you have to do is look at Trucks, they are all fitted with a limiter set to 56mph/90kph, but how many times do you see them well over the limit, and these are also on brand new trucks fitted with allegedly tamperproof limiters.

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All trucks have been governed to 56 mph on m/ways, they ar ethe true test case of fitting governors.

Why is it, i am 10 times more likely to be involved in an accident whilst driving a truck on a M/way than any other vehicle

This clearly shows the only vehicles fitted with governor's have the most accident's

Care to explain that one

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Steve

Unless the govenor also applies the brakes you will always be able to "coast" over the limit down hills.

We have got a scooter which is limited to 35. You can easlily get 40+ down a hill.

The big dissadvantage with a speed limiter is if you are ovetaking and and the car you are passing speeds up you are stuck on the wrong side of the road...very dangerous! It also takes longer to overtake...also dangerous.

In japan they have a mandatory "overspeed" warning that indicates when you are going over the motorway speed limit.

In my MG ZT you can program the trip computer it show a warning at a speed set by the driver.

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All NEW Cars eh? in that case I'll happily keep to my old one.

a) I'll be able to safely overtake if the governor limited car I'm passing tries to accelerate to stop me over taking
b) I'll be able to accelerate out of (an admittedly few) situations that could otherwise see me squished. I'll still be able to brake instead if that is more appropriate, but I'd like the freedom to choose.
c) I'll be able to drive to the currently higher limits in other EU countries without creating my own personal tailback.
d) i'll be able to have FUN while driving, while still driving safely, albeit illegally.

I will not see my personal freedoms and choices gradually eroded in the interests of 'protecting' me and my family. I'm not some dim-witted sheep that has to be coralled and controlled by a government (any gov't)that it trying to remove all sense of individual responsibility for actions. The human race needs challenge and responsibility in order to survive and evolve.

British family cars have always had at least one limiter on board - wife in front seat and possibly mother in back.

How many of have had the old shout "yer going too fast " as we approach 65 mph
We also ,a few years ago used to have another sort of governor if you got a bit too mad - your local policeman - how many inexperienced drivers did he reign in with a simple chat, not a flash and a ticket, not flashing lights , just as one bib says "with acid".

Thats a serious limiter - even worse if its mother in law in the back seat!

And I agree, a copper giving you a telling off at the time of infringement is a far superior lesson than one dished out 14 days later by a revenue robot.

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Of course they will, and it will probably be quite easy to do as well which will make for a very high profit margin in a very short space of time.

The speed limiter idea reminds me of when electronic speedo's first became mainstream.
The motoring world harped on about how it would be nigh on impossible for the less than scrupulous motor traders out there to "clock" the cars before selling them on, and they were absolutely right.....the dealers simply couldn't do anything with an electronic speedo.

That didn't however stop them from calling somebody like me out who would then spend less than 5 minutes with a laptop plugged in to the diagnostics socket and simply type in the required mileage and charge £150 for the priveledge.

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