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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 08:43 
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David Laws, Lib-Dem MP who made false expense claims, is finally being punished. By being given a week off work on full pay :?
I agree with you there although, AFAIK, he is actually an intelegent guy who was very good at his job and it was a shame he felt he couldn’t just ‘come out’ sadly.

It’s not like it’s a big deal these days or a criminal offence like it was back in the days of Jeremy Thorpe. Hard to believe that really, I remember the case. How times have moved on, thankfully..

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Isn't it about time they lived by the Laws they retain or create ?
They will probably both be in Court (as I suspect they will (in some manner) sooner or later) to 'name' one of them as the driver. Or perhaps like that Cornish couple both end up with fines and points ?

If the politicians flaunt the Law themselves should they not be suspended from office immediately and then removed if found guilty ?
or would there be no politicians left, as I recall some years back it was shown that something like half of the politicians at that time were guilty of a crime! :shock:
If they take their own rules with such disregard, does it not tell us, clearly, just how little 'importance' or how 'necessary' they are? And therefor, they should withdraw that Law immediately.
If it were a genuine 'mistake' then an admittance of guilt to aid the whole process and a change in behaviour would be expected.

To flaunt two laws in a fairly brief time period, questions whether he considers himself above the Laws of the Land, or that those Laws are of no relevance to him for safe driving.
Or was it a mistake ?
Could he have had a hand-free but it broke or battery died or in a different car and failed to remember to take it with him ? Perhaps a genuine important call came through and for a moment he took it, maybe even to say "hang on" and got 'snapped' ?

Would we be giving him 'such' a hard time if it was someone else ? Everyone can make a genuine mistake ... What if he came out and said -"I disagree with these Laws and see no relevance to Road Safety within them" ?
One reason why technical offences are not necessarily a reflection of whether someone was driving safely or not.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:11 
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He is the MP for Eastleigh where I used to live...

Don't worry Malcolm, living in Eastleigh is not the stigma it once was...! :D

An MP should work in the interests of the people who elected him... so how much has he done for Eastleigh?

While he is guilty of trying to avoid a punishment for what appears to be a minor offence, the fact remains that he would appear to be a serial offender, flouting LAWS on multiple occasions - finally losing his license after using a mobile phone having avoided the points for speeding (allegedly).
So how do we read his character..? He has challenged for the leadership twice; he appears to have been posturing to improve his position in any new contest. That is the mark of someone who thinks his future is more important to him than simply doing his best for his constituent, his party and the country.

Our MP was LibDem spokesperson for Rural Affairs (now now!) but chose to put his constituents interests before his party in a vote in the commons a few years back, and lost his party position as a result.
However he gained HUGE respect in his constituency and was re-elected with a far greater majority last time around, and his personal affect saw the liberals hold their position in south Cumbria against the national trend.
He is setting an example as to how things SHOULD be done. From everything I have been able to read, Huhne is looking after number one, and deserves to go.
Laws on the the hand was silly, and (just barely) deserves to stay as long as he does not put a foot wrong, as he appears to have been doing his job more than just competently.... IMHO.

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They will probably both be in Court (as I suspect they will (in some manner) sooner or later) to 'name' one of them as the driver. Or perhaps like that Cornish couple both end up with fines and points ?

The conspired to pervert the course of justice so if only one of them ends up in court it will be travesty of that justice.

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If the politicians flaunt the Law themselves should they not be suspended from office immediately and then removed if found guilty ?

No, no! It is fundamental to parliamentary democracy that only the electorate have the right and the power to remove their representative. But I think that they should have the power of recall and that recall should be invoked automatically if they are found guilty of a crime.

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The conspired to pervert the course of justice so if only one of them ends up in court it will be travesty of that justice.

A point I made earlier - the other party would be as guilty as he (allegedly) is. She has a promising career of her own, yet could (should?) be jailed too.

Unless there is other evidence, I doubt it will get to court, as it would simply be a case of he says/she says - and her evidence would no doubt be said to be tainted by her desire to get back at him... hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and all that!

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Unless there is other evidence, I doubt it will get to court, as it would simply be a case of he says/she says - and her evidence would no doubt be said to be tainted by her desire to get back at him... hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and all that!

From various reports it appears there is good evidence that she was elsewhere at the time of the offence.

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From various reports it appears there is good evidence that she was elsewhere at the time of the offence.
I like it. I'll offer odds of 100/1 he's guilty. :D

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. But when our flagging wits revise we learn to tell some better lies.

All too often when people reach a certain power think they become Teflon coated, and not just in politics. I think freedom of speech should include not having to say allegedly all the time. :twisted:

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The Times today (sorry I can't link to it but you have to pay!) puts a different complexion on Huhne's case.

Apparently he put down his wife as the driver without her knowledge and she was given the points/fine. The proof is the record of points being given (if this still exists) and the evidence that his wife could not have been driving due to her proven presence elsewhere at the time.

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She was with me! We were having lunch at The Savoy. What time do I need to state? :D

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Apparently he put down his wife as the driver without her knowledge and she was given the points/fine. The proof is the record of points being given (if this still exists) and the evidence that his wife could not have been driving due to her proven presence elsewhere at the time.


Then why did she accept the punishment if she had evidence that she was elsewhere? Doing so still makes her guilty of perverting the course of justice

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malcolmw wrote:
Apparently he put down his wife as the driver without her knowledge and she was given the points/fine. The proof is the record of points being given (if this still exists) and the evidence that his wife could not have been driving due to her proven presence elsewhere at the time.

Then why did she accept the punishment if she had evidence that she was elsewhere? Doing so still makes her guilty of perverting the course of justice
I would hazzard a guess this was before they fell out of lurve. Image I'm sure your wife would do the same for you if you asked eh? :wink:

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An MP should work in the interests of the people who elected him... so how much has he done for Eastleigh?


A colleague lives in Eastleigh and says he was once very helpful when his help was requested.

Doesn't mean he's not a knob though.


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I would hazzard a guess this was before they fell out of lurve. Image I'm sure your wife would do the same for you if you asked eh? :wink:


Perhaps she would. But I am sure she would not be so stupid as to admit to it and risk a jail sentence however much she disliked me. Which makes me wonder if there is something nefarious going on with Hune. Perhaps someone who wants him out of the way has promised to pull strings to keep her out of court.

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Apparently she claims that he supplied her details without her knowledge at the time - but surely she must have realised sooner or later when they requested her license to put the points on? :o

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An update:

Police want Chris Huhne and wife to be charged

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Police want Chris Huhne and wife to be charged

Police are recommending both Chris Huhne, the Energy Secretary, and his estranged wife be charged over claims he evaded a penalty for speeding, it was reported last night

Detectives at Essex Police believe they have secured enough evidence for the Crown Prosecution Service to charge Mr Huhne with speeding and attempting to pervert the course of justice.

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The decision over whether to bring charges now rests with lawyers at the CPS, who have asked the police to continue their inquiry.

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They should have both kept their mouths shut. Lot of people do this and don't feel the need to incriminate themselves. We all know those in charge take a dim view of it. Makes a mockery of the system and we can't have that, now can we? It also costs a us, the tax payer, in funding the police investigation, the CPS review and the trial. All of which for something which, I'd assert, most of us regard as fairly trivial. Yet the authorities need to make their point and Huhne should have known better (I don't think points mean much for politicians - I was in a hotel the other day watching re-runs of Top Gear on Dave and former Transport chappie or whatever he was, Ladyman, was on there admitting to nine points and still, somewhat hypocratically, championing cameras!) but to make an example of him imo is a waste of money. It should have been quietly dropped or he should have had his knuckles wrapped. Judging by the article it still might.


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Glad to see that you are no pre-judging the case, Malcolm. :shock:


My bold ,or was it an intentional omission :D :wink:

Any way ,not personaly been there - Mrs B & I have been (as happy as any couple) for over forty years , but our kids have had some times an we've had to come to terms with grandkid problems and obstructive sidekicks .

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Adding the whole article by The Times :
Police want Chris Huhne and wife to be charged
By Matthew Holehouse - 7:55AM GMT 24 Dec 2011

Police are recommending both Chris Huhne, the Energy Secretary, and his estranged wife be charged over claims he evaded a penalty for speeding, it was reported last night.

Chirs Huhne may face charges for speeding and attempting to pervert the course of justice. Photo: ANDREW CROWLEY

Detectives at Essex Police believe they have secured enough evidence for the Crown Prosecution Service to charge Mr Huhne with speeding and attempting to pervert the course of justice.
A file sent to the CPS is reported to say that Vicky Pryce, Mr Huhne’s wife of 26 years whom he left in 2005, should be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice after allegations that she accepted penalty points on her licence after Mr Huhne was caught by a speed camera while driving on the M11.
The decision over whether to bring charges now rests with lawyers at the CPS, who have asked the police to continue their inquiry.
It is alleged that in 2003 Mr Huhne asked his wife to accept speeding points on his behalf after being caught by a speed camera while travelling home from Stansted Airport after a flight from Strasbourg.

Essex Police have twice interviewed both Mr Huhne and Ms Pryce. They have obtained a production order requiring The Sunday Times to hand over emails between Ms Pryce and the newspaper. The order has been challenged in the High Court, and the CPS is understood to insist they cannot bring charges until that material is released.
Evidence held by police suggesting an attempt to pervert the course of justice is understood to include text messages recovered from the telephone of one of the couple’s sons in which Mr Huhne allegedly warned that Ms Pryce could go to prison.

Police have also examined a tape recording of a phone conversation between Mr Huhne and his estranged wife, in which he allegedly told her that there was no evidence against him unless she decided to “give some legs to it”.

“The officers on the case have felt very confident about it from an early stage. That confidence has grown each time they have provided additional information,” a source told The Times.

A CPS spokesman told the newspaper: “We are awaiting the outcome of a court hearing in January and are not yet in a position to make a decision.”

Last night Essex Police said: “We are going through the process of a production order which won’t be heard until January. We are seeking material from The Sunday Times that will go through the Appeal Court.”

Mr Huhne could not be contacted last night but this month he said he was “very confident” the investigation would get to the truth. He said: “I would love to see this cleared up as soon as possible. I want to see the Crown Prosecution Service obviously get to the bottom of this.”

Asked if he would resign if charged, Mr Huhne added: “That’s a hypothetical issue. They key point that I am expecting from this report is that they get to the bottom of this and the matter is resolved.”

It is claimed that he had already amassed a number of penalty points on his driving licence when he was caught exceeding a 30mph speed limit and faced the risk of a ban. Mr Huhne eventually lost his licence anyway after police spotted him using a mobile phone while driving in south London in late 2003.

Asked in May, as allegations swirled that Mr Huhne had persuaded someone to accept his penalty points, Ms Pryce said: “Yes, he did. But, look, there is such huge pressure on politicians to be everywhere at once, especially early in their career?... and he does drive like a maniac.”
By hime stating "give some legs to it” does not mean that she knows more - it may mean that if she chose to simply be 'nasty' she might imply another situation. If this is all the strength of evidence that they have then why are they wasting all this tax payers money?
Either this Country has money to burn or not.
There are some advisers to the CPS through the ACPO 'experts', who will wish to pursue the case to show others that they all need to be assimilated into their way of thinking !

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By him stating "give some legs to it” does not mean that she knows more - it may mean that if she chose to simply be 'nasty' she might imply another situation. If this is all the strength of evidence that they have then why are they wasting all this tax payers money?


As I said in an earlier post...
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Unless there is other evidence, I doubt it will get to court, as it would simply be a case of he says/she says - and her evidence would no doubt be said to be tainted by her desire to get back at him... hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and all that!


However, the police would be foolish to reveal just what evidence they actually have before it comes to court - although they may have more than we know of.
Whatever may be in emails to the Sunday Times newspaper from her however, is no more reliable than her telling the police that she took points when she was not the driver - and by now she will have realised that her own freedom and career are in jeopardy too if she continues to give the impression she took the points on his behalf!

The fact that it has been revealed that they are interested in those emails before the case has got to court, leads me to suspect that they actually have very little to go on, and are just fishing for time and hoping something turns up, or he resigns and confesses due to their pressure!

Meanwhile the papers continue to sell print on the back of the story, and the tax payer continues to pick up the tab for the investigation... should WE really worry about it? Of course!

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It is almost like a trial by media intimidation ... lets hope they can ignore all the press articles and hopefully rely on the truth.
The whole camera system is flawed and still is.

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