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New BMW 5 Series passes first crash test using brake intervention
28 May 2010
Up until now, verification of vehicle safety has been obtained by means of crash tests in which structural integrity and restraint systems were tested in a non-braked situation. However, as a result of modern electronics such as those also featured in the new BMW 5 Series and 7 Series, protective systems that warn the driver in advance of an accident and prepare the driver and the vehicle for impact in the event of an unavoidable collision are becoming more and more widely accepted.

Future testing procedures will have to make allowances for the effect of preventive protection systems. In a recent world premiere, the BMW 530d successfully passed a crash test involving brake intervention at the DEKRA facility in Neumünster near Hamburg.

It’s a familiar situation for many motorists. The end of a tailback suddenly appears behind a motorway bend, and if a motorist is inattentive or visibility is impaired, a rear-end collision could be highly likely – after all, this is the cause of around 40% of all motorway accidents involving injured persons. In order to defuse this kind of hazardous situation, some premium segment vehicles such as the BMW 5 Series are already equipped with anticipatory assistance systems that help reduce the risk of such accidents. BMW’s successful upper mid-range model, which was just recently brought to market, features – combined with Active Cruise Control – an optional rear-end collision warning system incorporating a braking function that activates an alarm scenario in two stages.

In the event of a potential collision with the vehicle in front, the driver is first given a preliminary warning by means of an illuminated red vehicle symbol on the instrument panel and on the Head-up Display. At the same time, the braking system is prefilled and the minimum triggering level of the hydraulic brake assistant lowered. This ensures that in an emergency brake pressure is built up faster when the driver applies the brakes, therefore significantly reducing the stopping distance.

If the danger of collision is acutely imminent, the second stage of the collision warning commences. In situations demanding particularly rapid intervention by the driver, the system activates an acoustic signal in addition to the visual warning. Should the driver still not react to the request to apply the brakes, a time-limited delay procedure is activated: The car brakes for 1.2 seconds with reduced deceleration, whereby speed is already reduced before the driver can apply the pre-tensioned brakes.

Based on the information supplied by the radar sensor of the Active Cruise Control system (ACC Stop &Go) featured in the new BMW 5 Series, the system detects when a collision can no longer be avoided by the driver’s reaction. In this case, an automatically activated emergency brake application function ensures that collision speed is, nevertheless, significantly reduced.

Based on a conventional EuroNCAP test with the car approaching an offset obstacle at 64km/h, a so-called offset crash, the vehicle used in the DEKRA test incorporating advanced brake intervention likewise initially accelerated to 64km/h. However, immediately before impact the BMW 530d braked hard – as stipulated by the system – and collided with the offset block at a reduced speed of just 40km/h.

Due to full brake application immediately prior to impact and the car’s pitching movement resulting from this, the vehicle changes its position, particularly when the front bumper hits the block. The vehicle collides with the obstacle in a slightly ‘lower’ position than in the case of a crash occurring without prior application of the brakes.

Concerning the deceleration, occupants also assume a position further forward. More importantly, though, in the event of a crash incorporating prior brake application, the severity of impact is reduced considerably, thereby significantly lessening the strain on all occupants.

Previous testing facilities have not permitted verification of the effect of anticipatory occupant protection systems in crash tests. The demonstrative test implemented by BMW in collaboration with DEKRA is the first step in testing future pre-crash scenarios, as in the years ahead innovations in active safety will be found in an increasing number of vehicles, with BMW playing a leading role.

Interesting but I'd far rather see better drivers than cars that try to 'do' any of the thinking for us.
If one was taken ill then I can see that this could be good as an unconscious driver is in grave danger, along with many around them.
What if it goes wrong ?

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Seeing as volvo just totalled one of their press cars with such an avoidance system I certainly wouldn't rely on it...

If abs led to some risk compensation behaviour I dread to think what automatic brakes would do to driver awareness. And what would happen if someone was used to a car with the system then drove a car without it?


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Seeing as volvo just totalled one of their press cars with such an avoidance system I certainly wouldn't rely on it...

If abs led to some risk compensation behaviour I dread to think what automatic brakes would do to driver awareness. And what would happen if someone was used to a car with the system then drove a car without it?

Yes could not agree more. Does one benefit from therefor 'always' driving a variety of cars so 'one' is 'always' thinking about what is what on 'this car, or is it better to drive one 'type' and become totally familiar with that ? I wonder if there is any research on that ? Racing drivers expect a certain response but there is much pre-testing and learning that has gone on.
Whenever I drive a 'new' car to me I take time to get familiar with the new layout and then when driving take the first few miles to 'feel' the responses and balance etc. The last hire care I had - had little assistance given, although I didn't feel it was 'needed' for me - do others get little advice too ?

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...In the event of a potential collision with the vehicle in front, the driver is first given a preliminary warning by means of an illuminated red vehicle symbol on the instrument panel and on the Head-up Display....

...If the danger of collision is acutely imminent, the second stage of the collision warning commences. In situations demanding particularly rapid intervention by the driver, the system activates an acoustic signal in addition to the visual warning....


Great! :roll: a "you're-about-to-drive-into-the-back-of-something-you-stupid-b'stard" warning light!

How about a "shouldn't-you-surrender-your-driving-licence-now?" message on the trip computer to go with it? Maybe they could make it pull on to the hard shoulder, kill the ignition and use the GSM card to automatically phone the plod too? It could even use the central locking to lock the unfortunate numpty in until the police arrived to take them away!

Perhaps I shouldn't mock. I'm sure BMW have some very clever people working for them and they'll have thought this all through but:
(a) I sure as hell wouldn't like to be following one in a "lesser" car and (b) I hope it works better than the Volvo system that Teabelly just mentioned! (and for the whole life of the vehicle)!

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...And what would happen if someone was used to a car with the system then drove a car without it?


I think there was a lot of talk some years ago, about what would happen if someone who had learned to drive in a car with ABS and had never driven one without was suddenly let loose in such a car. But that was before we realised. as a nation, that the key to road safety was just a matter of geting enough scameras out there though... :roll:


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...Does one benefit from therefor 'always' driving a variety of cars so 'one' is 'always' thinking about what is what on 'this car, or is it better to drive one 'type' and become totally familiar with that ? I wonder if there is any research on that ?


Many years ago, my boss had a 1930s Alvis with the brake on the right and the throttle in the middle - that sure as hell kept everyone on their toes! I think one of the problems is that even if someone DOES always drive the same type of car, they may never get anywhere near finding out what it does in an emergecy situation - even after many years of motoring. Even then, I'm not sure any two emergency situations are ever quite the same.


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I'm also a bit worried about the precedent of doing a crash test with the system active. Not only does it give the car a much easier time that it would otherwise have, but I fear it could be used cynically to get a 5 star rating in a vehicle that might otherwise not do too well. Obviously great in a crash of the type for which it was designed to work, but maybe not so good in other respects. This is always a danger of a "target-based" culture. It happens with police, teachers and doctors. As soon as you introduce such a system, they tend to loose sight of the "bigger picture" and start getting very good at doing well - but only in the areas that get them the "stars"! The Staffordshire hospital where they got great star ratings (but lots of people were dying) being a classic example!

Traditionally, the crash testing culture has been to always try for "worst case" scenarios. For a long time, even cars with airbags were crashed without the airbag deployed to simulate the possibility of a failure to deploy. All the add-ons were then a bonus.


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I sure as hell wouldn't like to be following one in a "lesser" car and


Wasn't that the same "worry" people had when they started putting disk brakes on the front wheels?

If you are paying attention and driving within a speed at which you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear then it won't matter how fast the car in front stops.

If you are only paying attention to the car in front then you are asking for trouble.


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Yes, I wondered about that as soon as I wrote it. Fair point. I also assume that this kind of thing happened at various points in history with the introduction of 4-wheel brakes, hydraulic brakes, disc brakes, radial tyres, ABS, and Brake Assist!

That said, I don't think I've ever seen anyone driving on a busy motorway whilst leaving a gap such that they could stop in the distance they can see to be clear. Pretty much everyone that I see tends to assume that a concrete block isn't suddenly going to appear in front of them at precisely the point that the previous car's back bumper is! I think most people drive a bit too close most of the time when motorays are busy. Whenever I get to one of those stretches with chevrons on telling you to keep 2 chevrons apart, I don't see many people doing so. Even if they did, I'd LOVE to see one of them stop in time if the concrete block appeared on the point of the second chevron all of a sudden!

The point I'm trying to make, is that most people don't use motorways like that. I think I tend to leave a bigger gap than most, but the gap I leave is based on the assumption that whatever's in front of me is NOT going to come to a dead stop instantaneously and that I'm also looking ahead of the car in front. I can still see, however, that a top-of-the range Beamer with all these "toys" on it could almost certainly stop quicker than my 20+ year old car. Whether or not it would be possible to ever leave a safe distance on a busy motorway, I'm not sure. I'd want to leave a greater distance behind one of these cars if possibe, but I think someone would just keep filling the space that I'd left - that's what happens even now.


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We'd all like to see an improvement in driver quality, but as we have to deal with what we do have, rather than what we should have, I don't see any problem with this system. To say that no car should have it because all don't is plain daft: If this system prevents a BMW going into the car in front, and another car hits it from the rear, then I reckon that car would have hit it anyway, but at very worst it has kept the number of collisions the same, and from a selfish point of view, prevented an at-fault accident for the BMW driver. I'm not sure how people will become reliant on it, are people reliant on ABS? The situations where one enters the operating regimes of this type of system are so few and far between that reliance is almost impossible, since nobody will really know first hand what the system is capable of; are you gonna fire your nice new beemer towards the back of a stationary queue of traffic just to see if what BMW told you it can do is true!? If it fails, so what, you still have brakes, just like if your ABS fails, its just an added bonus, last-chance, might-save-your-bacon, get-out-of-jail-free card for that one opportunity when you need it.

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That said, I don't think I've ever seen anyone driving on a busy motorway whilst leaving a gap such that they could stop in the distance they can see to be clear.


Depends on how you define this; I know that I don't leave a gap of the size that it would take me to brake to a complete halt from the car in front when driving on the motorway, such a gap would no doubt quickly be filled! One of the safe assumptions on a motorway is that the car in front is not going to come to an instant halt, therefore leaving a gap that allows for reaction time and any braking disparity is the most that is regularly required, provided one looks ahead to make sure the car in front is not gonna hit a stationary wall of traffic, concrete, meteor, volcanic boulder, etc.. Less still is relatively safe with forward observation, but there is no guarantee that the driver ahead is not gonna perform an emergency stop for some random reason, like dropping their hot coffee in their lap, and I personally always assume that they're one of those Eastern European scammers that goes around initiating rear-enders for the insurance money!

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The chevrons on motorways are usually placed to be two seconds apart at the motorway speed. Which is supposedly the average thinking and reaction time. This means that if a car in front of you, two chevrons away, brakes suddenly to a stop and providing that your reactions are average and your braking system is no worse than the car in front then you should stop safely without hitting him...just. Obviously everyones reaction times and braking system is different.

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That said, I don't think I've ever seen anyone driving on a busy motorway whilst leaving a gap such that they could stop in the distance they can see to be clear. Pretty much everyone that I see tends to assume that a concrete block isn't suddenly going to appear in front of them at precisely the point that the previous car's back bumper is!


I wasn't saying you should leave a stopping distance gap to the car in front.

I think it's OK to assume the car in front won't come to an abrupt halt from 70mph and if one car has passed a point then it's safe to assume that point is clear so the "distance you can see to be clear" can extend beyond the car in front or indeed beyond several cars in front.

The point is you really shouldn't be watching the car in front, you should be watching as far as you can see and when those first telltale brake lights flash on a mile ahead you back off slightly in anticipation of the concertina effect.


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I'm not sure how people will become reliant on it, are people reliant on ABS?


braking in an ABS car is different to non ABS and someone driving an ABS car continously, can easily find themselves locking the brakes on a wet road, if they have to brake sharply in a non ABS car, if they sudddenly find that they have to drive one for some reason or another. I found it one day when working at parcelforce. I had to change from my usual van halfway through the day and didn't realise I was then driving a non ABS van, until I braked with the usual force that I would have had to have done for the ABS van and found the wheels starting to lock. An experienced driver obviously knows what to do in this situation but would an new driver?...very unlikely!

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An experienced driver obviously knows what to do in this situation but would an new driver?...very unlikely!


Quite agree - this car is first one with ABS .My instinct is to ignore ABS and use brain , I have had ABS on vans and this car ,and honestly ,just don't like it . But then after almost forty years of driving without ABS ,can you expect me to trust it .

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Graball, are you saying that your usual braking force is enough to engage ABS? You need to seriously consider driving more smoothly mate!

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A lot of drivers would also be thrown into a panic if the brake power assist stopped working (eg vacuum pipe split)
I must admit, it's an unpleasant feeling to feel a rock-hard brake pedal and the car apparently not slowing down.
The good thing is, the car will still stop, but you need to step on the brake one hell of a lot harder than you would normally.

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Graball, are you saying that your usual braking force is enough to engage ABS? You need to seriously consider driving more smoothly mate!

Robin - many places where ABS might come in - locally ,I've had tads with County on a drain cover close to a set of lights - stop sharply when the cover is wet and ABS comes in . I'd hate to see the problems a biker braking sharply for the lights might have if rear wheel was on this .
On the other hand if I feel ABS come in under normal braking ,I just act as if ABS was missing and cadence brake .Mind you he did say
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Yeah, now and again in a pinch, not with one's "usual" force. Though I suspect its more to do with a difference in pedal pressure than the presence/absence of ABS.

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The thing that ABS encourages is breaking whilst cornering which can be quite dicey in a non-ABS vehicle. Of course being able to break in corners, and only slippery surfaces, does mean that you you can drive more quickly. And as "speed kills" then the conclusion must be that ABS has an entirely negative effect on road safety :evil:

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