weepej wrote:
Steve wrote:
weepej wrote:
More people on trains is liveable. More vehicles (with one person in them) on roads is not.
More cars on wider roads (or more roads) is just as liveable - single person occupancy or otherwise.
Well that's debatable.
More pollution, more noise, more road deaths, and pretty soon after the expansion, the same level of congestion.
So in summary, cars = bad, trains = good. It really is that simple, apparently, if you look at it through dogma-specs.
Aren't the peak-time train services pretty much full up anyway? But presumably building more railways is ok is it, because the pollution caused by electric trains happens somewhere else?
And as for the fatuous comment about the M25 filling up...
a. Imagine what London would be like without it. If it hadn't been built, London's economic development would've been stifled to a huge degree. Oh, wait, that's probably a good thing, because...
b. Maybe the M25 is full of people going where they want to go, and businesses going to areas where they want to do business. Why would supressing these activities be a good thing for the people involved? That's where the whole idea of "demand management" falls down: prevent people from going what they want, so that the roads are clear for people to go where they want. If they are rich enough.
c. If you sign up for the idea that because people will only want to use them, new roads should not be built, when should road building have ceased? Before the motorway network? the turnpikes? Help me out here!