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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 14:51 
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The nearest weather station to me is 8 miles away. It is consistently different to any readings I usually have from out door thermometers.


Are your thermometers in proper Stevenson screens?

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http://www.risk.net/energy-risk/news/1585509/four-charged-carbon-trading-fraud-belgium

Are you comfortable ?
Then here is the weather:
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Although much of the UK has been experiencing an easing of the cold since the weekend with a thaw of lying snow taking place and showers that were falling just as snow now falling as a wintry mix, the cold spell has at least one more trick up it's sleeve..

It's arriving from the southwest and is at the moment a run of the mill Atlantic weather system with rain and strong winds associated with it. As it bumps into the cold air across the British Isles though, that rain will readily turn to snow bringing some quite substantial falls with as much as 30cm likely over the higher ground of southern England, Wales, the Midlands and Ireland, with 10-20cm possible to lower ground as well.

Those strong, gale force (severe gales in Ireland and up western coastal regions for a time today) coupled with the snow will obviously make for some very difficult conditions with blizzards during the heavier bursts of snow.

The rain is already moving across Ireland, turning to snow as it pushes north, it'll reach southwest England and Wales during late morning and early afternoon, pushing steadily northeast through the evening and overnight. It's likely to be mainly rain and sleet close to the coasts, and through much of Cornwall but elsewhere it will mainly be snow - making for a difficult journey to work for many parts of the southern half of the UK tomorrow morning.

Through tomorrow the band edges north into Northern England and Scotland, generally turning back to rain and sleet through southern counties as it does so, but continuing to fall as snow from the Midlands northward in particular.

Watch too for an increase in the intensity and wintriness of wintry showers pushing into eastern parts of the northern half of the country ahead of the main band of rain, sleet and snow during the next 24 hours as those southeasterly winds pull the deeper cold back in for a short time.

Looking ahead to the remainder of the week, the rain sleet and snow clears away later in the day tomorrow, leaving the majority of any rain, sleet and snow showers to fall across Scotland during the latter part of the day and into Thursday. As the week draws to a close the cold slowly filters away allowing the thaw to gather pace with Atlantic systems arriving from the west.

Don't be surprised though if this is only a brief respite with a number of signals pointing toward a return of the cold relatively soon..


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=news;storyid=188;sess=

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 03:20 
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Here's the thing; it's all very well the ACC proponents telling us that a pause, or even reversal, in warming is exactly what we would expect to see as a result of man's wanton release of CO2 into the environment, but WHY?? Given that CO2 is a [pretty minor] greenhouse gas, can they explain to us why a period of cooling is expected? Has the CO2 taken a breather from warming duties to regroup? If it started raining purple piss, would the super-sneaky-secret-squirrel model have predicted that as a likely consequence too!?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/11/i ... more-15116

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 09:21 
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Silly person.
Don't you know that global warming changes the circulation of the atmosphere/oceans ?
So loads of cold air wafted here from northern europe. Which was countered by loads of hot air from Copenhagen, which meant that the cold air got colder and wafted over us:
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Which made things white.
Simple !
You should know by now that EVERYTHING is due to global warming.
Even the MONEY TRAIL

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But we've always had it.

Just been on phone to IG and another pal who also watches History documentaries as keenly as we do :lol:

From this .. I learned that there was a famine in the Middle Ages . caused by relentlessly hot summers and bitterly harsh winters.

Errr? A cycle then which occurs each milennia's first centenary years? :scratchchin: Sadly.. we do not have sufficient data to measure as our ancestors only reported by anecdote and not the "internet backed by computerised models!" :bunker:

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The scam over the centuries :lol:
http://www.saveportland.com/Climate/index.html

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Mad Moggie wrote:
But we've always had it.

Just been on phone to IG and another pal who also watches History documentaries as keenly as we do :lol:

From this .. I learned that there was a famine in the Middle Ages . caused by relentlessly hot summers and bitterly harsh winters.

Errr? A cycle then which occurs each milennia's first centenary years? :scratchchin: Sadly.. we do not have sufficient data to measure as our ancestors only reported by anecdote and not the "internet backed by computerised models!" :bunker:



ah- yes -"selective memory loss "- HMG 's best tool to deal with agnostics to the new Climate change religion . :D :D

But then ,as reported by my parents ( in central Scotland )- 1947 was a cold year - full of ice and snow-can't say further as I wasn not inclined to make an appearance till it warmed up :D :D .

And I can remenber several others - like in 1968/9 - with the country in an ice age .
Then -one I can remember - and IG probabluy will -the spring of 1978 - total whiteout from Teeside to north of Fife -for several days .

But this year - worst i can remember for many a year - perhaps we should be looking to see if Altzheimers have affected any of the global change champions .And the preceeding summer - in June ,I spent a week back up north -close to my old school hostel ( sort of council boarding school for the posh gits) in weather like I remember when I stopped there in the 60's -mild in the morning -turning very hot later .
So rather than some weirde weather pattern -may I suggest a return to the weather patterns of yester year .In other words -
A MASSIVE CYCLIC ,NON PREDICTABLE PATTERN .

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:49 
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The BBC is considering dropping MET Office for weather forecasts.

There are various reports, but the one below the most meat on it:

The British Broadcasting Corporation has put its weather forecasting contract out to tender – the first time since its radio broadcasts began in 1923 – after taking heat from the public for a string of embarrassingly inaccurate long-range weather forecasts. The UK Met Office, the government-owned meteorological department that has had the BBC contract for almost 90 years, is a partner with the Climatic Research Unit at East Anglia University of Climategate fame. CRU and the UK Met Office jointly provide the climate change data that the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change relies on.

The BBC’s decision comes amid one of the fiercest winters in decades that has left the country unprepared for the snow-related chaos it has seen. In August, the Met Office had forecast a mild winter. Last summer, the BBC had again been embarrassed: Thanks to the forecasts it had received from the UK Met, the BBC had warned its audience of an "odds-on barbecue summer" that instead was cool and rainy. In both cases, the BBC has faced outrage from a public that had been misled by the information the BBBC had provided it.

Many blame the UK Met Office’s abysmal forecasts record on a climate change bias. The BBC’s own climate correspondent, Paul Hudson, who for a decade had been a UK Met forecaster, believes the UK Met’s problem could stem from flawed computer models at its Hadley Centre, which provides data to the IPCC.

“Could it be that the Hadley supercomputer had developed a warm bias?” he wrote for the BBC yesterday, elaborating on a troubling possibility that has implications for the climate change debate. Last week, on the same subject, he wrote: “Experts I have spoken to tell me that this certainly is possible with such computer models. And if this is the case, what are the implications for the Hadley centre's predictions for future global temperatures? Could they be affected by such a warm bias? If global temperatures were to fall in years to come would the computer model be capable of forecasting this?”

The UK Met has also lost contracts to private sector firms in the UK that depend on accurate long-range forecasts, among them Marks & Spencer and Tesco.

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“Could it be that the Hadley supercomputer had developed a warm bias?”


:shock:

What, as if this was some sort of completly un-anticipated emergent property!!

"Cobblers" is WAyyyyy too polite! :x :x :x


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The UK Met has also lost contracts to private sector firms in the UK that depend on accurate long-range forecasts, among them Marks & Spencer and Tesco.


I wonder who they go to instead?

Piers corbyn perhaps?? :lol:

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527434.300-debate-heats-up-over-ipcc-melting-glaciers-claim.html

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527436.100-errors-and-lies-thrive-in-cold-weather.html

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In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report. It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.


Peer review ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece

So where is the proof that the 5% of the 380ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere is responsible for ANY of the warming ?
And where is ANY proof that CO2 is responsible for global warming ?

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Not much point in posting a graph about the temperature in central England in a discussion on global warning.

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Dave, you need to digest what was said in order to understand the misrepresentation that occurred here...
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HERE'S the question to put to all those who confidently(link1) declare(link2) that the recent severe winter conditions prove that global warming is nonsense

Within the articles directed to by both links, there was no indication that the "recent severe winter conditions prove that global warming is nonsense", let alone "prove" it. The only people within those articles who have hinted at such a link are those who are trying to say that AGW is real. What these articles deal with is the failure of the forecasts from an significant establishment trying to forward the AGW theory.

Now I don't doubt there has been some misrepresentation on both sides of the debate, but those making the underlying claims based on 'science' have to be the ones to raise their game if they want to be taken seriously.

There is still no reason for anyone to accept the AGW theory as presented.

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Same CO2 graph, insert yourself !

And: http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

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Is this another link to the mystery of the non disapearing glaciers -http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6994774.ece

One comment seemed (IMHO) seemed most appropriate
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The IPCC report, rather than taking the evidence and forming a conclusion, formed a conclusion then searched the literature to find any evidence, no matter how flimsy, to substantiate their conclusion.

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About biodiversity more than AGW, but not completely unrelated:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8461727.stm

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Biodiversity nears 'point of no return'

The decline in the world's biodiversity is approaching a point of no return, warns Hilary Benn. In this week's Green Room, the UK's environment secretary urges the international community to seize the chance to act before it is too late.

In 2002, the world's governments made a commitment to significantly reduce the rate of biodiversity loss by 2010.

Although it is hard to measure how much biodiversity we have, we do know these targets have not been met. [ :loco: ]



Mechanisms now exist for research, monitoring and scientific assessment of biodiversity, although we now need an Intergovernmental Panel on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services to oversee progress …

Tipping point; unknown significance; targets?
Don’t tell me, would that be an Intergovernmental Panel on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services to oversee progress “...in the same way the IPCC does for climate change”? :roll:
(Yes, the article does say this)

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Climate change and biodiversity are inextricably linked.

Let’s examine this.
- There is a strong argument that atmospheric CO2 doesn’t result with global warming (no higher temps [and ice ages] when the level was many, many times higher).
- We know we need CO2 to live (food comes from carbohydrates, that coming from atmospheric CO2), so it follows that more CO2 results with greater biodiversity (we’ve not had creatures anything like dinosaurs for a while).

Atmospheric CO2 sustains our ecosystem.

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Atmospheric CO2 does not just sustain our systems, it is vital for them.
No CO2 = very few green plants.
If the idiots of the IPCC succeed in lowering the CO2 levels (not a chance.....only 5% is due to man) below about 50ppm then most plants would die.
But never forget, the outcry against CO2 is prompted by the overpowering drive to get rich...money underpins the entire unedifying empire of climate change politics.
Which should not be a surprise....practically everyone has regarded politicians as pondlife for many decades now.
Now we can add the climate change scientists to the pondlife ecoshitstem.

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Syed Hasnain, the scientist at the centre of the growing controversy over melting Himalayan glaciers (not), is now working for Dr R K Pachauri's TERI as head of the institute glaciology team, funded by a generous grant from a US charity, researching the effects of the retreat.
Highlighted in The Sunday Times yesterday, Dr Hasnain was the scientist responsible for claiming that the world's glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035. This was picked up by the New Scientist and then by a 2005 WWF report, and subsequently published as a definitive claim in the IPCC's 2007 fourth assessment report, masterminded by Dr R K Pachauri.
But, while Dr Hasnain, who was then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, has admitted that the New Scientist report was based on "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research, he is now a direct beneficiary of that speculation.

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Atmospheric CO2 does not just sustain our systems, it is vital for them.
No CO2 = very few green plants.
If the idiots of the IPCC succeed in lowering the CO2 levels (not a chance.....only 5% is due to man) below about 50ppm then most plants would die.


SAtarw men. The IPPC are not suggesting that an attempt to lower the CO2 level below 50ppm. That is obviously impossible. 350ppm is Pachauri's most stringent suggestion.

Can you point to an increasing number of green plants corresponding to the rise in CO2 levels over the two centuries?

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Can you point to an increasing number of green plants corresponding to the rise in CO2 levels over the two centuries?


I am sure I remember the report of an experiment, albeit some years ago, where plants had been grown in an enriched CO2 atmosphere.

The results were, interesting.

Although the plants grew more quickly they ended up less nutricious

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