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Kill It .. Cook It .. Eat It!


BBC prog invited 6 folk to spend time on meat production farms in Devon .. two of whom were vegans.

The volunteers were given lessons in how to feel an animal to see if it’s fattened up enough for slaughter and then invited them into the abbatoir. (The final episode with the chickens required them to kill their own supper.. )

Programme has to be a must-see for the parents/children and their teachers at a Kent primary school which hit the headlines last year at the Head’s insistence that, Marcus, the pet lamb earned his keep by becoming the prize of lamb chops at the fund raising raffle and was destined for this from the start to teach the children that lamb chops .. bacon... beefburgers etc.. . come from the cute baby lambs they bottle feed at the “touchy feely farms”

The programme was quite fascinating as the volunteers sampled real burgers and sausages against the “valueless offal” as offered in neat wrapping at the supermarkets,,, and an eye opener as regards the callous inhumanity of certain “farming methods” which are not exactly “going away” as we all know that we pays more for the small “hand reared quality as provided by local farm shoppe” - which I confess we purchase from..because it mply tastes better... but we are all realistic enough to know that folk need low cost food all the same. (“Organic” .. “Free range”.. responsible fishing” on the labels” .. I am a cynic as quality wise – these appear to be no different from the “value packs” and why Alice buys most of our “fresh” from the little shops in the High Street. .

However, some of the comments made by these volunteers .. especially the vegans were rather patronising to the two animals (bulls/lamb/pigs/chickens) “selected for dinner”



EH? Back in the middle ages.. I learned from a history progamme on the telly (which entire family watched and discussed amongst ourselves – as we do at times :shock) that in C12 to C13 .. they had a famine . based on long hot .. dry summers and seriously cold winters.

Now .. let me think... back to my Grammar school days whereby we learned about Primeval Man in the first year .. and “the Middle Ages” in the second year (Tudors onwards in the Third Year and Gladstone/Disraeli to WW2 in the O Level years) ,, but I seem to recall reading that there was indeed a famine in the Middle Ages .. along with the Black Death/Plague and other nasties but that they also kept cattle/pigs and sheep within their dwellings as these provided warmth. These animals tend to fart a lot .. creating methane ..


So if we do not eat them .. they would add to the ozone layer then. Hmmm.....

The National Trust confirm this. I am an NT member as are the rest of the entire clan and related clans We once watched Country File with John Craven sampling the food on offer at Wimpole Home Farm .. in which the NT farmer declared that they had to slaughter the rare breeds for consumption in the restaurant and sale in farm and NT shops as “not to do so would mean these animals would not be so “rare”” Hmmmm!

The other bizarre comment from the vegans was bestowing their own values and beliefs on the animals..





Thankfully for them .. those animals have no idea of their fate and are stunned to brain dead before their throats are cut. One member of this family had a student job once.. in an abattoir owned by a national pie/cooked meat/pie/ice cream maker and did comment that the most chilling moment was when the pigs approached the mass kill abattoir and smelled their fate... which he still claims was benign and that the animals and carcasses were treated with respect at all times..a comment echoed by even the vegans on this particular documentary.

SO no.. I have no guilty pangs about tucking in to a good beef joint.. complete with Yorkshire Pud and a quality Horseradish sauce.

Edited as I mangled up the quotes/./

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Odd, I thought using these breeds as a source of meat helped to support keeping them hence ensuring they not become extinct. We have eaten in the restaurant

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Slightly O/T- years ago ,I came accross what turned out to be ad for Pub grub -"GOOD FOOD ,DOG AND HEDGEHOG" -problem is that I was driving and had missed out the "AT THE " .So my visions of pooch and splines turned out to be so much goolash .Maybee it was as well it wasn't the "Queens Head" - might have made some interesting Brawn

On a more sombre note -SWMBO's dad used to keep rabbits for the pot ,many moons ago ,when she was little more than a teenager - took me years to get her to eat bunny ,after she found out that one of those she'd fed and petted ,all those years ago had become her dinner a few days later .And it's not just us that think like that .Many ( more than I care to remember) years ago , I worked on the Isle of Rhum - a nature reserve , specialising in deer research ( as also seen on nature programs recently with Kate ?? & Tony Robinson ) -where the staff culled so many deer a week for home consumption (enter stage right a menu of venison sausages/stag liver and onions/roast venison /you name it-they found a way to serve it ) .Many's the time I've talked to the blokes who've gone out to bring in a deer - they've stalked it ,got down wind , and suddenly the deer has spotted something ,and without hesitation ambled toward the stalker ,who's heart melted ,because it was a tame deer -which meant they just couldn't kill it .But then ,these blokes were Scots -not Americans -they'd not heard of "FRIENDLY FIRE "

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This is the second series.
I think it most interesting - all the human reactions and variety of opinions.
I still think the naive recognition that animals need to be managed when they are kept in commercial numbers seems incredible.
There was a mass outrage up here not that long ago when (I forget the details) but authorities told Estates they had to cull many more deer than was good for the herds, and also over a very short time period both very very bad for proper management. Estate managers were disgusted. I never heard what happened in the end with all the travelling that I had to do, but doing things right to ensure the best animals breed and the lesser one's die earlier is essential in the natural but managed survival of the fittest.
It is totally correct to kill humanly but other programs I have seen, from abattoirs are not so 'pleasant' and that is understandable. I do wonder if any animals do suffer if incorrectly stunned. When people work in these places they must insulate themselves from the emotions that they have to go through, they must end up very tough.
I hope the programs help people to understand more about quality meat, I know I have learned several things.

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The thing that never ceases to amaze me with students on some of our courses is how removed they are from their food - we say that we provide a wild meal they expect a lump of meat in cling film not bunny or squirrel.

We had a scout group out and on the plant walk we pointed out brambles and blackberrys - one piped up isn't that a mobile phone

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I have no sympathy for animals which are becoming extinct - it's their own fault for not having sex often enough!

I did think about this today when I saw a small deer lying dead on the verge on my way to Kendal this morning.
It looked quite fresh - and sure enough, it had gone when I made the same journey this afternoon!
I cannot help wondering if it is the chap who appears on our local radio from time to time, advising on how to cook road kill!

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Requoted - Sorry Toltec ...

I have this picture of the really desperate male red squirrel, dreaming of a lovely lush long eye lashed female, and never finding one, poor thing !
So maybe it is not that they cannot perform just that they have got so separated they cannot find each other !

There is a rule that you cannot eat what you kill, isn't there somewhere or is that old wives tales now, wasn't it that only others can eat what you kill. I guess it was to stop people aiming at various wildlife !
Still if a friend or two were following ....

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Oi That's libellous quoting that is

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I was thinking particularly of those Pandas back in the seventies, who despite being fed as much bamboo as they could eat, and being jetted around the world to spend time with various mates, failed to do anything about their diminishing numbers!

They should take lessons from rabbits!

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As I understand, the animals have no idea what awaits them. If the design of the handling system is any good they just trot right though without a care in the world. That also needs coupling to staff that know how to keep the animals calm. A lot of farms have poor handling systems and it is a night mare getting animals through. You'd think they were thinking that they were going to get beaten the way the won't through a crush* , when all you want to do is read an ear tag.

Agriculture does a poor job of informing the public of what we do and where their food comes from. I haven't watched it, but programmes like this and people like Jimmy What's-his-face have done more than British Agriculture PLC or the NFU, sadly.

*a crush is a, usually steel, crate that cattle sheep or pigs are sent though if you need to handle them