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A simple redistribution of the already unfair tax burden on the motorist would suffice


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Few people I know think that ALL speed limits are correct. I don't see much wrong with the 30mph urban speed limit in most cases. I do see a lot wrong with many motorway speed limits.


Most people I know want some laws to be changed. The law is a sort of political average, and the speed limit is a level of acceptance agreed by the group. If it needs changing, politics (which is the way collective decisions are made here) provides the method. What is it about motorway speed limits that you specifically don't like? Do your journeys on motorways take too long and is that because of speed limits or because of other drivers?



I enjoy motorway driving - except when it's too busy - I try and avoid the M1 wherever possible during the day! I do not find that journey times differ particularly with speed (within a reasonable margin), unless I am travelling to the other end of the country. I put this down mainly the non-motorway bits at each end of the journey.

It's more down to what feels comfortable and safe to me. It would seem that most car drivers exceed the 70 limit by some amount, yet motorways have an excellent safety record.

Leading on from this I wonder what a study of the correlation between drivers' speeding convictions and accident records would show?


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Leading on from this I wonder what a study of the correlation between drivers' speeding convictions and accident records would show?


Ummm, apparently those with more speeding convictions are more likely to have an accident record to match. Note I said apparently guys :shock: , not seen it proven though.


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Leading on from this I wonder what a study of the correlation between drivers' speeding convictions and accident records would show?

Ummm, apparently those with more speeding convictions are more likely to have an accident record to match. Note I said apparently guys :shock: , not seen it proven though.

Is it adjusted for mileage, though?

Also the degree of exposure to unfamiliar roads must play a part.

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Leading on from this I wonder what a study of the correlation between drivers' speeding convictions and accident records would show?

Ummm, apparently those with more speeding convictions are more likely to have an accident record to match. Note I said apparently guys :shock: , not seen it proven though.

Is it adjusted for mileage, though?

Also the degree of exposure to unfamiliar roads must play a part.


I read this somewhere in connection with insurance company figures and company car drivers. So, it would stand to reason that these high milage drivers are going to be exposed to the risk of having an accident for a greater period of time than, say, Mrs Jones doing the school run every day.


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Leading on from this I wonder what a study of the correlation between drivers' speeding convictions and accident records would show?


Ummm, apparently those with more speeding convictions are more likely to have an accident record to match. Note I said apparently guys :shock: , not seen it proven though.



Steve Stradling did a study on it, suggesting that drivers who got speeding tickets had been involved in twice as many crashes as those who did not.

I'm sure the research was flawed somewhere along the line. Like you say Peter, I think there was no consideration of the higher number of vehicle miles covered by the ticket recipients.

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I'm sure the research was flawed somewhere along the line.

Yes. It was carried out by Steve Stradling

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I'm sure the research was flawed somewhere along the line.

Yes. It was carried out by Steve Stradling

LOL :lol:

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IanH wrote:
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Leading on from this I wonder what a study of the correlation between drivers' speeding convictions and accident records would show?


Ummm, apparently those with more speeding convictions are more likely to have an accident record to match. Note I said apparently guys :shock: , not seen it proven though.



Steve Stradling did a study on it, suggesting that drivers who got speeding tickets had been involved in twice as many crashes as those who did not.

I'm sure the research was flawed somewhere along the line. Like you say Peter, I think there was no consideration of the higher number of vehicle miles covered by the ticket recipients.


One thing I did not take into account before is that it depends where drivers exceed the limit. Speeding along a busy urban street with a lot going on is clearly not the same as on a clear NSL road in good conditions. Mind you insurers and camera partnerships don't take this into account either! :lol:


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Gatsobait wrote:
I think it was actually Jaguar, for a print ad that showed motion blur on the car's wheels. The complaint was that it promoted speeding or driving fast, and the ASA upheld it and insisted the ad was pulled. IMO it promoted nothing of the kind. The photo shows movement, no more no less, and movement does not equal high speed.


A similar photo, which shows a blurred background and wheels and appears to promotes exciting, fast, aggressive driving is still on the web site.

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Yes, we could get motorists to pay the full cost of the extra consultation and resources which would benefit them, or perhaps ask car and oil companies to contribute to road and signage improvements!


A simple redistribution of the already unfair tax burden on the motorist would suffice, considering only something like 16% of motoring taxes actually go back into road and transport expenses.


And which part of the system should go unfunded? The NHS, Schools, and univeristies, the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ? Which part should get less?

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Yes, we could get motorists to pay the full cost of the extra consultation and resources which would benefit them, or perhaps ask car and oil companies to contribute to road and signage improvements!


A simple redistribution of the already unfair tax burden on the motorist would suffice, considering only something like 16% of motoring taxes actually go back into road and transport expenses.


And which part of the system should go unfunded? The NHS, Schools, and univeristies, the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ? Which part should get less?


It costs a lot of money to keep Mr.Bush happy! :wink:


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And which part of the system should go unfunded? The NHS, Schools, and univeristies, the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ? Which part should get less?


Without people being able to travel to their places of work, there wouldn't be any of those things.

How do other countries manage? The ones which don't tax the motorist to the hilt, and have better roads to boot!

On a related note, I read that there were recently massive protests in Moscow over the price of fuel - all of 22 roubles per litre. (about 21p)


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....the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ?


Oh hello, what have we here? A little bitterness against the armed forces perhaps? :wink:


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Without people being able to travel to their places of work, there wouldn't be any of those things.


Many, many years ago, in the late 70's, petrol seemed dear. Now, it seems cheap. I do a 30 mile round trip tp work and I spend more on my butties some days than I do on petrol!

Which goverment services should be cut to allow motorists to have cheaper petrol?

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....the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ?


Oh hello, what have we here? A little bitterness against the armed forces perhaps? :wink:


No way, our enlisted soldiers are the bravest in the world! This is just an amusing derogatory, class war term for the upper crust public school children (forced arses) who inhabit the upper ranks.

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And which part of the system should go unfunded? The NHS, Schools, and univeristies, the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ? Which part should get less?


Politician's expenses for a start...... Then maybe the subsidies to the public transport sector.

Anyone want to add to the list?


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And which part of the system should go unfunded? The NHS, Schools, and univeristies, the forced arses, sorry, armed forces ? Which part should get less?


Politician's expenses for a start...... Then maybe the subsidies to the public transport sector.

Anyone want to add to the list?


Yes - let's scrap subsidies the Royal family, which will save more than MP expenses. If MPs can fund their own work, so can the Queen! Combined, that might save 0.0001 p of a gallon!

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basingwerk wrote:
Many, many years ago, in the late 70's, petrol seemed dear. Now, it seems cheap. I do a 30 mile round trip tp work and I spend more on my butties some days than I do on petrol!


And why do you think that is? Could it possibly be that the rising cost of fuel has had an effect on the cost of other goods - after all, the production and transport of all goods and services is dependent on fuel.
Nah! Perish the thought!

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Which goverment services should be cut to allow motorists to have cheaper petrol?


You can start by scrapping the millions of money-draining non-jobs in the public sector, created largely by this government. The public sector comprises around one-quarter of the total workforce, which means that roughly one-third of what you and I earn ends up in someone else's pay packet.

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You can start by scrapping the millions of money-draining non-jobs in the public sector, created largely by this government. The public sector comprises around one-quarter of the total workforce, which means that roughly one-third of what you and I earn ends up in someone else's pay packet.


Nobody gets a free lunch. If you expect something, you have to pay for it. If you don't like the way something runs, change it by voting it down, but never assume you have a patent on the best way to do things!

I have no reason to particularly like the way things are set up over here, but something must be working properly, or you'd all be cold, miserable and un-employed, like when Maggie was running things!

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