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I know, but I mentioned it to prove the point that people can't drive as slow as they like without consideration for others.


That seems considerate. Would you full over when safe and possible to let a following queue past, especially if your vehicle is subject to a lower limit than the following traffic?


Nothing excuses any form of driving dangerously; nothing excuses inconsiderate driving either!


The professional investigators who compiled the data for the stats19 report disagree with you. That amounts to 15% of accidents for all definitions of speeding put together; however "Failed to look properly was the most frequently reported contributory factor and was involved in 32 per cent of all accidents." [dft_transstats_612594]


Sorry, who are these others? Can you give quotes/links?

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So Darwinism, sociological benefit, and now religion, all in some sad attempt to justify not being considerate to other road users.

You're showing yourself up to be somewhat of a nincompoop.

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Is that "good" nincompoop, or "bad" nincompoop!

cmon guys he's clearly on a wind up.. having just caught up on the last few pages the discussion & rebuttal, quoting & misquoting, wanton misinterpretation is pretty clear.

just lately he was pouring praise on mole for the 'equal rights' statement.. now it seems the equality has changed to 'not less than equal' which means he is willing to accept the option that they (in this case the slower driver) has more than equal rights... which would be in disagreement with the original phrase he loved so much.









PS to avoid the obvious misinterpretation and gleefull willy waving the he i refer to in this case is abercrombie

From where have you acquired that fantasy? Steve, get a grip!



I agree that slowpokes have equal rights, and then some more. Of course, speeders may have no
rights, but my position remains unchanged - so you're screwed, chum.

A logical person, such as Steve, can realize that a test of "not less than equal" encompasses "equal"; that's why he's screwed (after making a big fuss about it as well, I must say).




and I did notice your anti-social little PS

Once they have finished rearing their last brood they should make way for the younger breeders. If they, slowpokes, are consuming resources needed by their offspring then this would have a negative impact on the perpetuation of their genetic line.

The above meant as 'tongue in cheek' - only because you brought up the subject

I think one of the outstanding things about human consciousness is the ability to transcend genetic programming/imperatives. If you want to bring in Darwinism and natural selection then 'rights' are out of the window.

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But you said 'slow down' without any specifics.
So what exactly did you mean by "My goal here is to convince you to slow down" ?


So wait, you state that those who exceed the limit have no right to do so, yet to fully quote your original statement (my bold):

Logically, your statements, position unchanged, (definition of 'speed merchant' defined as 'exceeding limits') can only mean that slowpokes don't have justification.

The only people screwed in this thread are those who didn’t know about HC rule 169.

Isn't your own edit just as anti-social? At least I know I did mine before you read my post.

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Me too. If it were possible to proceed without natural selection, I'd do so,
but it isn't. Basically, it's what it's all about. We respect experience because
(at some level) it is useful. Slower, older drivers are saying something useful.
We have to listen.

So it might be a very good thing that I did 60 mph in a 50 mph limit early on Sunday morning A bit of cheating that had no consequence?

Oh and if you like birdsong might I suggest you either put a birdsong CD on. Or stop, let us all passed, and go for a walk.

Barkstar
My name is Chris and I'm a 'speed merchant', well judged by some others it seems I am

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The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence has limits.

I am not sure natural selection applies to humans any more, certainly not at the smaller scale. A comet/asteroid strike or pandemic plague scale event are about the only level that will make much difference and they are more extinction events than selection.

The slower, older drivers could well be saying "this is where you are heading, make the most of youth while you can". Depends on what message you are listening to.

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It means - my goal here is to slow you down!!!



Mole said they are at least equal - they actually have more right, don't they? No evasion here allowed, please.
If in doubt, check out the MUST in rule 124. I think you'll find you're still screwed...

It's even better that you advertised it for all to see. The best way to ensure we get more cameras is to break the law. Fill yer boots...

PS: it's nice to know you Chris. Why do you think you are a speed merchant. Do you like to press hard on the limit, or break it if you can?
That's fine, but do you respect the rights of other to go more slowly than that. That's the main thing.

Yes, enjoy your youth, drive slowly and enjoy the scenery. Wise words indeed.

PS: sorry, I meant your words, not mine - I'm not that selfish!

Not unless you count in nuclear bombs. I found it interesting that Google was showing maps of cities hit by nuclear bombs and how far they spread out and, the damage caused by different bombs.

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Yes, it's futile to argue about logic and limits etc.

We should tie the one piece of cloth onto the radio aerial that every driver has - knickers or underpants. That could be the sign of motoring distress!

No, Mole said they have "equal rights AND equal responsibilities"




Oh yesssss. And when you do get to the pearly gates, you'll need to justify your selective misquotations (not to mention any selfish driving you might have indulged in)!

I'm not an expert on the ColRegs, but I think the wording is "a vessel restricted in its ability to manoeuvre". If that's true, I think the distinction could be important. This (to my mind at least) means the physical limitations of the vessel (e.g. constrained by its draught in a narrow, dredged channel) and NOT necessarily the limitations of the skill of its crew! So the roadgoing analogy would be something like HGVs being limited to 40 on NSL single carriageways but NOT car drivers who happen to simply CHOOSE to drive that slowly! However, in my experience, these drivers usually DO, at least display the appropriate signals to other road users - the internationally recognised tartan rug / flat hat / walking stick on the rear shelf are normally displayed!

No - I can wash my soul clean at confession. I can sin as much as I like between-times. It's great being a Catholic.

Like you think my highlighting those two words isn't what I wanted you to explain; I guess I assumed too much from you. This time I will spell it out for you: what exactly did you mean by the words ‘slow down’ and in respect to what reference?


I'm not focussing on what you think Mole said, I examining your statements, (who is to say you’re not repeating your behaviour of misrepresenting statements? - I just saw Moles response as I drafted, looks like you have a nasty habit of misrepresenting statements huh?). Neither do I need to focus on Rule 124 (not yet anyway).

You said "Slowpokes have equal justification to speed merchants".
So, do the ‘speed merchants’ – who you partly defined as those who "exceed limits on the sly" and the ‘slowpokes’ have some right to act as they do, or not? This requires a simple yes or no answer.

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