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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:28 
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Can somebody please explain COAST?

Can't find an explanation of it anywhere and you lot keep talking about it.

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Hi there and :welcome:


No .. not stupid to ask. We are hoping to get it into folk's minds in the DIS/Speed Aware courses we run in this area .. as are the other areas now.

Plans are afoot to get it part of THINK! given 95% of all crunches are due to driver error. If we start to manage this and improve general driving attitudes a#out there - we then have safer and even SLOWER roads :wink:

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OK! For the new guys and for those who need a little reminder.

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CONCENTRATION (and it also means COURTESY AND CONSIDERATION)

I reckon concentration should be a relaxed concentration. By this I mean that if you consciously try to concentrate - you may be concentrating on what you perceive to be correct behaviour and not concentrating at all. It is the sort of concentration which you use when watching a good film - looking at the points of interest and the nuances of the plot. It is a bout leaving the worries of what to have for tea or the argument with the boss or the wife or the best pal behind and focusing on the drive and the road ahead - watching the road furniture "tell you a story of what to expect ahead".


It is about not getting carried away by your CD player playing "Born to be Wild" - loudly!

It is about refraining from eating apples whilst driving, reading maps, and arguing with passengers or on the hands free set whilst driving.


Consideration is about being understanding: the person may have just passed the test or be new to the area.

It is about accepting people do make errors and not getting worked up about it. It is about dealing with it - safely.

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OBSERVATION

This means what it says - use sight, ears and smell.

You need to scan systematically. The road paint on the road tells you about the hazards to expect (Check out "Know Your Road Signs!" (DSA publication).

It means using mirrors. and constantly adjusting your driving (and riding if on two wheels and I do include the cyclist contingent and lurkers on here in this too )

It means looking at the road layout - continuously assessing the moving point and the limit point on the road as it unfolds ahead of you.

It means observing other traffic: the ball under the parked car, the potential chap who may open the door or just set off without the life saver glance over his shoulder (and again this applies to cyclists as they are the ones who get caught the most by this numpty error )

It means positioning for view (see Ian's excellent diagram on cornering and apex in the "Cornering" thread in the "Improve Driving" forum on this site) Positioning for view depends on circumstances at the time -but you need to ensure you can observe the antics of the driver at least two cars ahead of you!

It means keeping eyes moving and using peripheral vision.

It means being aware of that line of persons at a bus stop means bus is around here somwhere.

It means using every means of observation at your disposal.

Smell of cut grass? Council workers on the loose.

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ANTICIPATION

More time you have to react to a hazard - the better.


It is based on your observations. Their behaviour, position, head , hand and general progress all give you clues. Never assume they will behave as you do.

Once you have observed and anticpated - you then have to plan - take control of the situation. react to the hazards ahead and defend yourself. Because "PLAN" is so difficult to define we split this as follows:

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SPACE

This is the two second rule. You give space to the tailgater and increase your space for reactions.

It means adjusting speed to the safest one for the conditions ahead. It means reacting to what might reasonably be expected to happen and you are responding to what can be seen and what cannot be seen

It is about dropping your speed so that you can see what is happening 2- 3 vehicles ahead of you.

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TIME

Time is linked to the above. Only a fool breaks the two second rule! It is your two second gap. It is the time you allowed for your journey. It is the time you allow for other road users in your planning and decisions based on the above OAP per "ROADCRAFT"


There are lots of variations of COAST - but these are the main ones.

I cannot stress its importance enough - and this little word forms the basis of DIS and Speed Aware courses where offered. It is a part of my training as well - and we do include elements of it in our lectures to naughty-ish drivers here.

It should have more prominence on the Partnership sites - especially thos which offer Speed Awares as alternative to points. It could help improve standards after all. It appears to work here -but then it is delivered on the spot by slightly amused BiBs.

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Works for me! Works for the Mad Cats and rest of our combined families!

Works for those customers we help too!

Works for motorcyclists and pedal cyclists too. Being aware of yourself and other road users and their needs - that's real road safety!
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Explained in full here:
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3774

and explained in shortened terms here...
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Hope that helps!

If anyone wants a key fob with the COAST message on, then PM me, and I'll organise some more - perhaps in return for a SAFESPEED donation, if we can work out the mechanism?

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Brilliant key ring, they should be on the keys of every car sold, whether new or used, especially for "new" drivers.

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Ernest,

How much would you say is a fair donation?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 18:47 
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Dixie wrote:
Ernest,

How much would you say is a fair donation?



I'd be up for this. Why not do COAST on one side and the SafeSpeed name and URL on the other?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 21:08 
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prof beard wrote:
Dixie wrote:
Ernest,

How much would you say is a fair donation?



I'd be up for this. Why not do COAST on one side and the SafeSpeed name and URL on the other?

Brilliant idea

I know Ian uses the fobs .. and I seem to recall recommending a purchase order ages ago? I'll chase it up The fobs are just BRILL and Ern is just :bow: wonderful to do this.

I reckon .. how much would I pay for a decent metal key fob? About £3 to £5 pounds?? Allowing for materials and fair overhead costs???

Ern .. contact the Lancs/Staffs SCP/Speed Aware as well. I am sure they'd love to include in the "anniverary ping pack" they offer .. as informed by "willispeedifonly hecouldgivenalfachance" Yep .. that's his handle somewhere in cycber space :rotfl: I have to give them "hooligans" their dues.. they are really comical and well meaning in a nice way.


OFF TOPIC ASIDE and i guess I should put into chat or members for chatting????


By the way - they are incredibly talented drivers, bikers, cyclists and the men in the family are all Swiss soldiers per their strange laws.

By strange .. I mean they get conscripted at age 18 , are required to keep weapons and explosives to hand by law, and have to go on rre-trains until reaching retirement age. :shock:


I did ask the gang if they minded this. The Swiss guys smiled and said it is a bind as they are not remotely "violent minded" and learn things they'd rather not know about. On the other hand they say they received perfect training on escorts at high and low speeds - and this perfected their handling of any vehicle - given they have driven all armoured vehicles including lorries and tanks/jeeps and towed variious as a result of all that :bow: .. which makes them superior to me in overall expertise gained. Those guys do know their stuff and I'd say by association . so do the 5 girls in that family. :bow:

But they did say that as placid non-violently minded types - they are not happy with being trained to kill and voted NO in a recent Swiss referendum over conscription . but were on the losing side.


But yep .. COAST .. I can add plenty to it. I skirted the edges. My Hendon Notes series ..putting an old diary of mine on this board in 2004/2005 was well received.

I did store the posts as tbe MIND DRIVE author and a few others wished to use my msafespeed thoughts in their own works and books. I gave full rights to them to do so.

I should point out that we have to use what we see.. interpret it . risk assess it.
DECIDE in a split second what to do!

Driving .. so many demands on us all.. skills , required obligations.


We just have to stop. THINK. Whatever we do out there affects another, So get into the habit of just evaluating each drive . objectively with a view to learn and improve . not BEAT yourself up over the odd error. Thunk about perceived errors. Try to work out what went wrong .. and learn from it. That's what we do with our own officers. We require them to think about the drive and face the errors in the eye. We then work on correction and IMPROVE our lot.

Now if our RPU do this .. then MOPs out there .. can you consider the advice?

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Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 21:11 
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In Gear wrote:
prof beard wrote:
Dixie wrote:
Ernest,

How much would you say is a fair donation?



I'd be up for this. Why not do COAST on one side and the SafeSpeed name and URL on the other?

Brilliant idea

I'll have one :yesyes:

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I know all to date who have one .. treasure them :yesyes:

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A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

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FINES USfor our COAST!


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Though perhaps a disclaimer along the lines of "not to be read while driving" might be wise!


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Johnnytheboy wrote:
Though perhaps a disclaimer along the lines of "not to be read while driving" might be wise!



Hey - we should realistically hope all who pass L-test are instinctively COAST and safety led aware. But they are not.


I know me and the Mad cats drive some around the bend with our "back seat driving" :hehe: on this - but driver error in one or more of those basics are the prime causes of all collisions out there. If you do it properly - you are alomsot always at the safest speed for the road condition at any one time. and can still have the odd "blasting ball" when no one is looking on an empty road too :wink: You woulld note our stealthmobiles lurking in the wee small hours :wink: . and adjust accordingly :wink:


Hey .. we are also human beings most of the time. We apply common sense at times. Not all of us are as stupid as the tabloids enjoy portrayng us as being. But getting huffy about what a journo or some hot head on the internet says - only brings us down to their level of crass stupidity.

I have commented on the "once upon a bib bash week in the press" on odd occasions - without getting uptight (hopefully??) about it. Press have a right to report what they think to be of public interest within reason and all folk have a right to comment on the stories ..as they interpret them. My job on here would be to politely field the accusations without causing further anger to the already wound-up.

But COAST is sound. I have this week;s CW to hand. Even Allan Ramsay agrees that corrective training is a good thing. All DIS and Speed Awares are marked to COAST criteria as already published by the Mad Cats who got claws on one such to use as evidence.


OK . folk make serious mistakes. We are saying that some can be avoided with some practical help and further training as constant requirement. We police do refreshers and those who do RoSPA/IAM frequently re-assess their skills - which were acquired by determination to learn as much as realistically possible :wink:

If we can only reach some via DIS or Gatso ping - then that will have to #reamin - but only if the right idiots are targetted and not the safe who just drifted over for a second or so in front of a scamera set at low tolerance. :popcorn:


I am realistic. If you use cams - use them properly. If you use police - deploy the crews to achieve effective value for justice and money. Note my word order JUSTICE And SAFETY HAVE TO COME a PHOTO FINISH FIRST. :wink:

I have bot C+ and CW to hand.


I have loads of stuff to read .. and some potential threads to get finges "frenzied" :wink:


More later. Some privy to Members' will understand me here :wink:

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Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

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Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.


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