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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 20:52 
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Per an experiment whereby they did away with road signs and traffic lights - claiming this made everyone more vigilant... ?

Obviously they never conducted the experiment in a busy town centre on a Saturday afternoon,.. :popcorn:


http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/search/4 ... _on_roads/

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Power cut sparks chaos on roads
9:00am Monday 19th January 2009

By Paul Keaveny »

A POWER cut which affected 80 homes caused traffic chaos when a set of traffic lights at a major junction failed.

The emergency services were called to a head-on crash at the junction of Crompton Way and Moss Bank Way, Astley Bridge, at about 1pm on Saturday.

It is believed the crash was caused due to the confusion at the lack of traffic lights at the junction.

Traffic came to a standstill as firefighters took a woman out of her Ford Escort car on a spinal board as a precaution.

She was take to the Royal Bolton Hospital with back and neck injuries. Her condition is not thought to be life-threatening.

A couple in the Mercedes car which also involved in the crash were not injured.

Traffic was held up for at least an hour and motorists were forced to navigate the busy junction without the aid of traffic lights for most of the afternoon.

The power cut, at about 12.40pm, was caused by a fault at a junction box under the pavement at the corner of Holland Street and Holly Street, Astley Bridge. Witnesses reported seeing smoke coming from the ground.

A United Utilities spokesman said 50 homes were initially affected by the cut, but a further 30 homes were disconnected at 3.30pm when engineers working on the repairs had to switch the power over.

The power was returned in two stages, with 40 homes back on line at 6pm and the remaining homes switched back on at 7.30pm.

The spokesman said: “We apologise to anyone affected, but the team worked as quickly as possible to restore power supplies.”

One motorist caught up in the afternoon gridlock said: “The traffic lights were down so people were just having to wing it. It was chaos and the traffic was backed up for ages.”



Given that a head on collision had occurred - why did the police not have an officer directing the traffic? :?


Asked my sisters about this junction.


They say it's one of the busiest in Bolton.. as this is the RING ROAD and there are housing estates.. a park .. an Asda and a DIY store close-by. :roll:

I asked about the lay-out. They said that one side has a turn right only - on the way out of Bolton as the cross roads here leads to the notorious A666 to Blackburn .

They say it's quite a tight squeeze in peak hours as folk will be heading to Asda on the one side and the large DIY store on the other side.

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Another testament to road users losing the ability to think for themselves.

I remember the lights failing on a normally congested crossroad on very busy roads between gloucester and cheltenham on a couple of occasions about 13 years ago. The traffic actually seemed to flow quicker, with people being sensible and relatively courteous.

Nowadays the lights fail and so does peoples mental capacity to exercise good sense..


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Given that a head on collision had occurred - why did the police not have an officer directing the traffic? :?


I don't think, in 13 years of driving, I have ever seen a policeman on traffic directing duty. Do they still do it at all? Been in many situations crying out for it.

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I don't think, in 13 years of driving, I have ever seen a policeman on traffic directing duty. Do they still do it at all? Been in many situations crying out for it.


IME You have been lucky!

For some strange reason Policemen on trafic duty invariably make a rotton job of it! (Why, I really cannot understand?!? )

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I should refer to an early 2004 IG post in which he admits to causing chaos.


Some say he is a law abiding robot.. others claim he is a cuddly bear.. those who know him know him as one geared up dude :lol:

I think he was replying to Papaumau over the "ballet dancing precision" when he admitted to causing sheer hell on earth and a gridlock never seen before in London.. :rotfl: He says it was his first ever job.. He was nervous.. He got his signals mixed and made headlines :hehe:

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I'm not sure it's a valid assumption to compare this with experiments where deliberate removal of signs / lights / road furniture has been carried out. Were there signs put up showing the lights weren't working at the time of the accident? If not, I think drivers might have had the worst of both worlds - i.e. the EXPECTATION that the traffic lights ought to be managing the flow of traffic, combined with the lack of any management. I wonder whether it wouldn't have happened if there had been signs put up well before the junction? That would have put drivers (SHOULD have put drivers!) into think-for-themselves mode!


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all my experiences of lights being out have been positive, cautious & courteous drivers recognising the additional hazards & need for cooperation, and yes in many cases traffic flowing better.

but i guess that at least requires the driver to be expecting a set of lights or observant enough to see them, and react correctly to none being lit.


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It usually works ok until you get a knob that hasn't noticed the lack of lights and just barrels on through regardless. Look out for them and you'll avoid an accident.

There is a hoohah in the local paper about a cross roads near Cheadle, Staffs. It has no traffic lights and locals are always whining about accidents and asking for the speed limit to be cut! Clearly they're a bit brain dead and as they know the junction has accidents then they just have to slow down and *look* before crossing through it. There were worse ones called 5 and 6 lane ends where you'd get several roads meeting up and they were notorious. Those roads have been re-designed but I don't know what has happened to the accident rate.


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When the lights fail round our way (or in the case recently, they removed them off one of the busiesst islands for a weeek) traffic flows much better and with no problems BUT you only need one numpty who doesn't know how to proceed because they are so "cushioned" to being told when to go and it causes chaos. That said, it is only down to "poor driver skills" that we need these things anyway. Perhaps if we were to start phasing them out, people would learn to "drive " again.

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