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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 13:21 
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that's ridiculous. If Britain was worried by un neccessary deaths we would do something about the 24,000 old people dying of cold JUST LAST WINTER. This would be easier to remedy.


That's very simplistic thinking and assumes that Britain (the British I assume) think logically. Also as Abercrombe said, is one life worth as much as another?

Anyway, one day we'll view the people dying of cold (incidentally they're not just old, they are the vulnerable young too), as just as big an outrage as the deaths on the roads. It's all about perspective. Then something will be done about your 24,000 deaths.


Hopefully when we do, we'll not choose a simplistic solution that only tackles a small percentage of deaths from cold, like we seem to have ended up doing with road casualties.

:20: deg C signs?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 13:24 
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Can I interest you in a Terrafugia Transition sir?


Big Tone, you have cracked it! Give all the Numpties Terrafugia Transition's and get accidents off the road.

Don’t need to, they've been using flight for years with the help of the air ambulance. ;)

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Johnnytheboy wrote:
Peyote wrote:
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that's ridiculous. If Britain was worried by un neccessary deaths we would do something about the 24,000 old people dying of cold JUST LAST WINTER. This would be easier to remedy.


That's very simplistic thinking and assumes that Britain (the British I assume) think logically. Also as Abercrombe said, is one life worth as much as another?

Anyway, one day we'll view the people dying of cold (incidentally they're not just old, they are the vulnerable young too), as just as big an outrage as the deaths on the roads. It's all about perspective. Then something will be done about your 24,000 deaths.


Hopefully when we do, we'll not choose a simplistic solution that only tackles a small percentage of deaths from cold, like we seem to have ended up doing with road casualties.

:20: deg C signs?


:lol: You got me thinking now...

The elderly feel the cold more than young blood and may not be able to eat well and insulate their homes as well as us or excercise, so they should have 25 deg or more perhaps?

This extra is quite sensible and so depends on the circumstances. Wait a minute, that sounds familiar. :scratchchin:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 14:40 
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Big Tone, you have cracked it! Give all the Numpties Terrafugia Transition's and get accidents off the road.

Don’t need to, they've been using flight for years with the help of the air ambulance. ;)[/quote]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just picking up on this issue of all these old people dying of flu. Well my Dad's had his flu jab this year - so why don't they do a numpty vacine?


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So B Cyclist, why is a road that was safe at 60MPH yeasterday (70MPH pre 1975) only safe at 40MPH today?

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You seem to have missed the point.

Why does a road that never had a speed limit on it now have one?

(a) councillors' antipathy towards motorists has increased over the years, and
(b) changes in the law have made it easier for them to express that antipathy by imposing new curbs on motorists



So you really believe there should be no limits? :?


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B cyclist wrote:
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(a) councillors' antipathy towards motorists has increased over the years, and
(b) changes in the law have made it easier for them to express that antipathy by imposing new curbs on motorists

So you really believe there should be no limits?

No, by "a road that never had a speed limit on it" I assumed he meant one that was NSL, since graball referred to 60 mph.

Highway professionals often distinguish NSL roads from ones with specific local limits.

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[quote] B Cyclist[So you really believe there should be no limits? :?/quote]

Where on earth did he say that? Are you reading these posts because you seem to drifting in and out but making some very strange comments!

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Back on topic for a moment, if I may de-digress (regress?):

This has been touched upon earlier: why is there such a strong correlation between auto-numptyism and the wearing of hats?

I've done about 200 miles of mixed road travel today, and the chance of a numpty sporting headgear seems significantly higher than the general driving population.


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Johnnytheboy wrote:
Back on topic for a moment, if I may de-digress (regress?):

This has been touched upon earlier: why is there such a strong correlation between auto-numptyism and the wearing of hats?

I've done about 200 miles of mixed road travel today, and the chance of a numpty sporting headgear seems significantly higher than the general driving population.


Spot on Johnny, when ever you see someone wearing a base ball cap the wrong way round you really do wonder if they whats reverse and whats forward gears, and which is the brake and which it the throttle.

When I see reverse base-ball cap wearer, I say "OMG, its an accident waiting to happen, I just hope they no injure anyone else."


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Flat caps, normally, by us ....;-)

Another numpty trait spotted today. Following one in her own little world at 40MPH on a straight NSL. Overtook her safely then she flashes lights and "catches up with me" for about a mile or so, we are both doing 60MPH on a straight deserted road. I turn off after about a mile, she is so close behind me that I can smell her perfume. Is it a case of.. "oh look that man's doing 60, maybe I should follow him and see where the party is...;-)....must be a good aftershave I was wearing....;-)

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why is there such a strong correlation between auto-numptyism and the wearing of hats?


I always believe they're keeping the space warm until they get a brain...... :bunker:


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I was numptied by someone in a Lexus SC430 today, though :roll:


numptied by a '07 SL55 AMG today. to you.

I really hope she was just borrowing it off her husband or something, otherwise thats just depressing.

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Perhaps they get lonely driving all alone, so they dawdle along until someone catches up with them and hope they stay with them for "company",then if you overtake they have to catch you up in order not to feel lonely again. They are probably the same people who sit down right next to you on a large deserted beach.

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Regarding hat/numpty correlation, I theorise it is something to do with brain temperature. :?

As a baldie this explains why I am not a numpty driver!

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PS If we're going to start swapping numpty sightings, I commend the Numpty Overload thread to the house.

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Many years ago I got stuck in a long line of traffic following a tractor at 20 mph. When I finally got near enought to the front of the queue I could see that there was a brand new 911 with a couple who looked about 80 in it, they could have got past it in first gear but they were quite happy to sit there behind it.

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graball wrote:
Flat caps, normally, by us ....;-)

Another numpty trait spotted today. Following one in her own little world at 40MPH on a straight NSL. Overtook her safely then she flashes lights and "catches up with me" for about a mile or so, we are both doing 60MPH on a straight deserted road. I turn off after about a mile, she is so close behind me that I can smell her perfume. Is it a case of.. "oh look that man's doing 60, maybe I should follow him and see where the party is...;-)....must be a good aftershave I was wearing....;-)


Funny cos I was driving along today and had to slow down because my perfume was a bit overwhelming. This bloke in a Honda went whizzing past me as I wound the window down, and as soon as I got some fresh air I caught the same numpty in the Honda doing 60mph went it was quite safe to 80mph. Thankfully it wasn't long before he turned off. I think he may have been a pig farmer by the smell coming through my air vents on his way to a boring Pig Farmers Convention :lol:


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lol , Lucy, it wasn't me in the Honda, I was in my MR2 today but it wasn't far from the lilleshall sports centre that you mentioned the other day. I was travelling from newport to telford and turned off near a place called lilleshall

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graball wrote:

Where on earth did he say that? Are you reading these posts because you seem to drifting in and out but making some very strange comments!


Oh, I'm reading them all. Go back through the thread and you'll see exactly where I am coming from. The question was asked about driving along a road that had had a limit reduced. Well, they all have because in the beginning there were no limits.

There is the conspiracy view that:

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(a) councillors' antipathy towards motorists has increased over the years, and
(b) changes in the law have made it easier for them to express that antipathy by imposing new curbs on motorists


Or there is the view that there actually has to be some control over driver behaviour. Drivers are only a part of society and it is right that their behaviour is subject to some controls. Limits are one way of providing a control and the best way of overhauling this is to campaign for a review of the way limits are set. Much more relevant than how you feel driving a long a road that has a changed limit. Which is more about you becoming complacent and making assumptions about the road you are on than whether you feel more or less safe. :wink:


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graball wrote:
Where on earth did he say that? Are you reading these posts because you seem to drifting in and out but making some very strange comments!



Oh, I'm reading them all. Go back through the thread and you'll see exactly where I am coming from. The question was asked about driving along a road that had had a limit reduced. Well, they all have because in the beginning there were no limits.

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No limits at all, what years are you on about?

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B cyclist wrote:
Limits are one way of providing a control


Nobody here (except the odd numpty) would suggest that there should be no speed limits. Everyone here knows that enforced limits are needed (except for the occasional troll who's just making trouble for the sake of it).


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