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Abercrombie
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graball wrote:
Don't make me laugh....I would guess that your skiing is about as experienced as your driving....;-)


No... I've in skied Austria, Germany Quebec, Alberta, British Columbia and Switzerland. Really. I've been all over. The best is BC.
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graball wrote:
called thenm there "lanes", pistes


No, they're called "lift queues"! The pistes are those sloping fields, old chap.
Be careful at Hintertux; my mate had his new skis nicked.
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graball
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B cyclist on Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:38 pm

Big Tone wrote:So tell me Abercrombie, if you were safely doing 60mph yesterday in a :60: you know of in your area but today they have changed it to a :40: does that mean 24 hours ago you were taking more risk and in need of greater skills? Did you feel out of your comfort zone yesterday?

Why would you then moderate your speed to the new posted :40: on the same road in the area you know if you feel :30: or :20: is that much safer by your definition?

If the question is too TOO HARD to answer just say so and we will move onto something else...




Is the issue the change in the figure by multiples of 10 miles per hour?

Otherwise the only point that I can see here is the logical extrapolation that we shouldn't have any speed limits because at some point in history we didn't have any and we felt safe then. :drink2:
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So tell me Abercrombie, if you were safely doing 60mph yesterday in a :60: you know of in your area but today they have changed it to a :40: does that mean 24 hours ago you were taking more risk and in need of greater skills? Did you feel out of your comfort zone yesterday?

Why would you then moderate your speed to the new posted :40: on the same road in the area you know if you feel :30: or :20: is that much safer by your definition?

If the question is too TOO HARD to answer just say so and we will move onto something else...



Is the issue the change in the figure by multiples of 10 miles per hour?

Otherwise the only point that I can see here is the logical extrapolation that we shouldn't have any speed limits because at some point in history we didn't have any and we felt safe then. :drink2:

Try again...;-)

So B Cyclist, why is a road that was safe at 60MPH yeasterday (70MPH pre 1975) only safe at 40MPH today?

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don't tell me you ski through the lift queues......

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Lucy W
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Abercrombie wrote:

He [Hitler] ordered the construction of the Autobahn system. Some numpty, eh?

Then how come he [Steve McQueen] got all tangled up in barbed wire, then?


Fair point, I take it all back, Hitler was not a numpty.

As for Steve McQueen, I said he could ride a bike better than a Nazi, however he was probably on some Gerry built DWK - if he'd of had a Harley then no doubt things would have been different! :lol:
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Joking apart, I'm sure I read early in his "career" he had some monstrous 6-litre Mercedes thing which he was known to drive round Munich like the clappers.

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You cause more risk by driving fast, so you need more skill to account for that. If you didn't speed, there would be less risk, and you would not depend on great skills.


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I'm not a Nazi expert, just think their uniforms were better. I imagine that the 6l monster Merc, tearing around Munich was his inspiration for monster tanks tearing into Poland?

So if this Obama fella takes delivery of a Hummer at the Whitehouse...............well don't say i didn't warn you!!
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In terms of armoured warfare in WW2 I think the British were the numpties. Just look at our tanks!

I can't help thinking we've drifted off topic here!
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Lucy W wrote:
however he was probably on some Gerry built DWK - if he'd of had a Harley then no doubt things would have been different


Don't quote me on this, but the bikes may have been BWMs. And they're not numpty-mobiles either. I had the 1000cc version, and it was no slouch, I can tell you.
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graball wrote:
don't tell me you ski through the lift queues......


Oh, I left one place out - I've actually skied in Wales too!

PS: the point I was trying to make it that it's easier on the slopes, because they are wide. You can mix all types, up to a point. It's not the same as sharing the road system, is it?
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graball wrote:
So B Cyclist, why is a road that was safe at 60MPH yeasterday (70MPH pre 1975) only safe at 40MPH today?


I know this wasn't directed at me, but it got me thinking.

Maybe the question shouldn't be "why is a road that was safe at 60MPH yeasterday (70MPH pre 1975) only safe at 40MPH today?". Maybe it should be, "What has happened to our assessment of the risks, to make us decide that the risks posed by this road that were previously acceptable, are now not acceptable?" So in effect the risks haven't changed significantly, it's just societies perception of that risk that has changed?

Maybe it's that people have realised that 3500 deaths a year on the roads is (considered) unacceptable these days, whereas previously it was an acceptable price to pay for the rapid transfer of goods and people?

Lots of maybes there I know, but worth considering I think...
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Maybe it's that people have realised that 3500 deaths a year on the roads is (considered) unacceptable these days, whereas previously it was an acceptable price to pay for the rapid transfer of goods and people?


That's what it's about. Look at all the fuss being made on the BBC because the Israelis have killed 1000 Palestinian civilians, and wounded 5000 more. Yet on the roads, that happens every few months, in Britain alone, continuously. It has dawned on people that it's a waste that has to cease now in Britain, especially as a disproportionate number are little ones. It's the end of an era, really.
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that's ridiculous. If Britain was worried by un neccessary deaths we would do something about the 24,000 old people dying of cold JUST LAST WINTER. This would be easier to remedy.

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Lucy W wrote:
I'm not a Nazi expert, just think their uniforms were better. I imagine that the 6l monster Merc, tearing around Munich was his inspiration for monster tanks tearing into Poland?


Ah, Munich. That takes me back.... what a sublime city, eh? Most of all, I miss Leopold Strasse. As for the uniforms, well they did have a bit of thing for that S&M look! And they pulled it off at least as well as Mr. Mosley, didn't they?
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Lucy W
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Abercrombie wrote:
graball wrote:
Don't make me laugh....I would guess that your skiing is about as experienced as your driving....;-)


No... I've in skied Austria, Germany Quebec, Alberta, British Columbia and Switzerland. Really. I've been all over. The best is BC.


I haven't necessarily skied in all those places, but:
I've climbed the Grossglockner, Austria.
Vomited in the fountain in Leipzig, Germany.
Been to Cafe Paris, Quebec where the accordian player played happy birthday for me even though it wasn't my birthday.
Must have done something equally as interesting in Alberta (Is Banff in Alberta? If so got rescued by a warden after coming a cross a bear and cub in he woods - although I was quite capable of walking away myself)
Walked on the glacier in British Columbia.
And took a cable car ride in St Moritz, Switzerland as it was cheaper than shopping there.
PLUS....I've skied in Scotland!!

So have you skied in Scotland?
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graball wrote:
If Britain was worried by un neccessary deaths we would do something about the 24,000 old people dying of cold JUST LAST WINTER. This would be easier to remedy.


The trouble with helping the old folks through the winter is that they drop dead the very next one instead. Thus, large expenditure in that area has a rapidly diminishing return, in terms of "years of life saved". On the other had, cars kill younger people, so "waste of years" is much higher. And the value of young years is higher than old years, because you have more fun when you are young (at least I did, anyway!)

It's rather like that old joke about smoking - smoking knocks ten years off your life, but who cares? It's the last 10 years!
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Lucy W
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graball wrote:
don't tell me you ski through the lift queues......


Of course he does, we're British, it's our birth right!!

Johnny Foreigner don't mind, they've come to expect it from us.
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Firstly, Abercrombie, I don't know how you can say sking on a slope with lots of people meandering about,often only a couple of feet apart, stopping suddenly and going at lots of different speeds and angles is safer than driving on a road where people stay in lane....maybe the roads are worse than ski slopes by you!!

Secondly, reducing speed limits on roads has not been proven to reduce casualties...in fact a major road near me has had its limit reduced to 60mph from 70 MPH (dual carriage way ) and the casualties have gone up. Many of the roads which are being dropped to 40mph have LESS THAN HALF the national average for A/vkms.

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Lucy W wrote:
So have you skied in Scotland?


No, just Wales, I'm afraid. I'm impressed with you though, Lucy! You've "been around a bit", eh?
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Abercrombie wrote:
Don't quote me on this, but the bikes may have been BWMs. And they're not numpty-mobiles either. I had the 1000cc version, and it was no slouch, I can tell you.


I assume thats BMW? And it stands for Bavarian Motor Works, not what some racist police officers might have you believe! :lol:
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graball wrote:
Firstly, Abercrombie, I don't know how you can say sking on a slope with lots of people meandering about,often only a couple of feet apart, stopping suddenly and going at lots of different speeds and angles is safer than driving on a road


It's just that 300 times less are killed skiing than in car wrecks, despite skiing being a thrill, not a real mode of transport. I mean, more people die of bee stings, for God's sake, so forget skiing.

graball wrote:
the casualties have gone up.


I don't know the road, I'm sorry.
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