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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 23:52 
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You trying a climb down YET AGAIN then?

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Re: Bad cyclists

Postby graball on Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:19 pm
"I think people who cycle without lights are total idiots, I've said it several times ont his thread.

I can't work out why it's being stated that I don't think cyclists should display lights?! I do!

I think people who cycle without lights are total idiots, I've said it several times ont his thread.

I can't work out why it's being stated that I don't think cyclists should display lights?! I do!"...................

Nice attempt at a "climb down" but it won't work.

You stated earlier that any innocent, law abiding motorist should suffer the consequences if he was to knock a cyclist of his bike that was riding illegally (without lights) without any regard for his (the cyclists) safety or other road users. (cyclists,pedestrians or motorists).

Sorry but that certainly doesn't get you my respect as a law abiding, sensible, safe road user, no matter how many times you state that you never exceed a posted speed limit.

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You trying a climb down YET AGAIN then?

l would prefer to say that our opinions are converging :D

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You stated earlier that any innocent, law abiding motorist should suffer the consequences if he was to knock a cyclist of his bike that was riding illegally (without lights) without any regard for his (the cyclists) safety or other road users. (cyclists,pedestrians or motorists).


Although the syntax of that sentence is not easy to disentangle it does not appear to be inconsistent with Weep's assertion that : " I think people who cycle without lights are total idiots, I've said it several times on his thread. "

To summarise my position
Cyclists (or indeed motorists) who do not show the prescribed lights are irresponsible fools who should be appropriately punished.
A motorists who hits an unlit object in the road is driving carelessly and should be appropriately punished.

And that is my last word.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cyclists
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graball wrote:
You trying a climb down YET AGAIN then?


Yup, sorry, you were 100% correct when you stated:

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When driving at night and believe me , I have done a lot of it, (approx 300 miles a night five days a week) you would be mad not to be driving at a speed which you would feel that you could stop safely in an emergency.


My apologies, I'll go away now.


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.. we can spin this very positively to suggest drivers compensate for their stupidity here.


or we can infer that the majority of lazy cyclists who do go through red lights do so cautiously enough to avoid any direct conflict.

certainly the majority i've observed dont fly through with no regard for their own safety but slow.... cross the line having a good look for traffic and then continue through an appropriate gap.



It is stil illegal. We will stil prosecute all who are observed doing so in this area regardless of how many wheels they are travelling in or on :popcorn:

Oh and by the way - mags have the power to endorse a driving licence with a TS coding these days if the fool crosses the lights and causes an accident.


You do not know if a pedestrian will take advantage of the red light. They are an easy SMIDSY for a cyclist who may not see them as he heads towards the traffic who are alreeady stopped

I have the experience of having to sort out statements and developping "fisticuffs " at time - between these parties in the past :popcorn:

Then there are the amber gamblers and other cyclists who are travelling on a green light which these thickos are oblivious to :roll:

"observation skills"? Light on red. Means other crossing is on green signal .. #Means traffic will try to "get the lights if they can" = crassest stupid and red means :stop:

I care not if it is 3 am and you only THINK You are the only bloke on the road. Get off and walk! :popcorn: We've scraped up too many in the past. :popcorn:

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or we can infer that the majority of lazy cyclists who do go through red lights do so cautiously enough to avoid any direct conflict.

certainly the majority i've observed dont fly through with no regard for their own safety but slow.... cross the line having a good look for traffic and then continue through an appropriate gap.


And many motorists would do that if the penalties were not so severe. And I often see motorists disobeying temporay traffic lights on the all red phase when they can see that the traffic in the other direction is halted. Though I am not sure if that is a specific offence



So given that mags can endorse a licence or load a ghost licence with said offence - usually if the person caused/almost caused accident (especially if an injury to a third party resulted) or has been stopped repeatedly for this offence - we can endorse a cyclist's licence if the court judges that the behaviour warrants such - this may deter quite a few idiots out there :popcorn:

Failing to stop at a temporary red light or the little workman with his reversable signs - is also a Traffic Signal offence and carries the same penalty. :popcorn:


If the lights are stuck - you will find a phone number on the tempo lights to notify the authorities. Similalry you report normal lights if they stick. Once you have done so and the fault logged - the crossing becomes "as a normal junction with a :stop: sign .. which means you stop.. apply handbrake and take a good look-see instead of simply treating as a "Give Way" junction :popcorn: If nothing is coming or you can cross the junction safely - then you may proceed. :popcorn:
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Making a vehicle wait at a red light when there is no traffic on the other roads and no pedestrians is a most pointless and irritating piece of traffic managment. PCs and red traffic lights are the only inanimate objects at which I routinely curse :lol:




But you do no know what may be approaching at speed.


We are not allowed to simply blat through on a "shout". We are trained to slow up.. LOOK around carefully.. and so long as the public give way to us .. we then cross and carry on at .. err.. " on urgent shout speed" :wink:

Sometimes late at night - we do not sound sirens as we actually want to catch your burglar "at it" :wink: .. complete with his SWAG Bag :popcorn:


So you cannot always be so sure that "no one is around" :wink:

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ed_m wrote:
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Where does the demand for cycle lanes come from if (according to internet cyclists) cyclists don't like thm?


council quotas ?

personally i love well maintained cycle lanes that get me where i want to/need to go, sadly it seems such things rarely exist!


Indeed . They get grants to "encourage cycling"

Since your average couucillor does not actually ride a bike - they do not have the foggiest idea of how to "encourage cycling" - but cycle lanes serve a nice prupose... congestion // shared cycle/bus lanes .. and a general "phew - we are greener than the neighbouring borough" :roll: and they can tick a box and get a bit more "grant" to fund the pension fund :roll: :popcorn:

Cynic? Moi? :hehe: My father happens to be the Wild :neko:'s mother's big brother! :lol: I blame me Dad! :lol: :bunker:

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Is it really such a big cost to have lights on one's bike ?


nope....

is it such a big cost to check your tail/headlights on a car and replace the bulbs that are blown ?... same answer.. doesnt seem to help tho!



I keep posting and telling the Mad Cats and Swiss to remind about P O W E R :popcorn:


But if we see a car without lights - we have choices - issue fine or a HORT/1 which means the person has a set time to get it fixed and then report to us and prove it has been done. We can accept that a light can blow at any time on the road. Thus we will also allow the same grace to a cyclist if his battery should give out or the bulb happens to have blown. We still insist that the bicycle does have a reflector though :wink:


In France - it's illegal not to carry replacements :popcorn:

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So 'weepej' has proper lights on his (or is it her) bike then ? Well he/she is definitely in the minority then, at least where I live



I'm in London and I'd say only about 1 in 20 DON'T have proper lights; the vast majority are well lit and most wear hi viz.

Not that it's a proper excuse to hit an unlit cyclist in your car, if you do you were driving too fast.


We had a farmer who hit a cyclist once. No lights on a rural road. He was also dressed in black.. There was no way he could have been seen .. by a tractor driver. :popcorn: He suffered a broken leg. We prosecuted the cyclist for no lights by the way. I do not know how the farmer's insurers handled it though. :popcorn:


We also had a cyclist similarly unlit who collided with a sheep. Sadly he died because he hit his head on the stone wall. :roll:

But he had no lights .. so could not see the road ahead of him :roll: :banghead:

The law is the law on this .. we do and will prosecute in this area as we had these two this last year. :furious:

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We also had a cyclist similarly unlit who collided with a sheep. Sadly he died because he hit his head on the stone wall. :roll:

But he had no lights .. so could not see the road ahead of him :roll: :banghead:


but if the sheep had been correctly lit.... or wearing hi vis ... ?


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We also had a cyclist similarly unlit who collided with a sheep. Sadly he died because he hit his head on the stone wall. :roll:

But he had no lights .. so could not see the road ahead of him :roll: :banghead:


but if the sheep had been correctly lit.... or wearing hi vis ... ?



He had a white woolly coat.. a black face. Per the farmer - this sheep had a "skipping gait". After this encoutner - the sheep ended up as "rack of mutton" (It was a three year old ewe - and thus not a "tender succulent spring lamb" // mmmmm.. spring lamb.. with rosemary or mint .. mmmmm! :cloud9:

:bunker: I need a cold water smiley guy!

Anyway .. I gather the stray ewe had her flock marking on her behind .. some farmers do this in fluorescent paint if these sheep are "free range" as in free to graze wherever in our countryside :wink: It was one of our problems back in 2001 with FMD. Cumbria/Lancs/Dales also had the same problems .. but sadly Co Durham was at the centre of that outbreak and we did close off the countryside - and that meant less bikers in Weardale/Teesdale .. and that's really why we recorded such a low figure for 2001 compared with 2002 :popcorn: Bikers .. and I am talking of the "born again .. wanna recoup their yoof" types are the ones who do end up very dead round here :roll: We produced the back up stats in response to heavy criticism at the time - which centred around the decision not to go down the "pratnership route".


Our area is just not suited to that kind of enforcement in real terms - and we find our RPU are worth more than their weight in gold in helping solve crimes beyond just the odd speedster :popcorn:


So because of RPU .. we not only have KSI below average.. prosecute more idiots on the road .. we also find they help us soar up the "charts" as regards other crimes .. because they are usually first on the scene and seal off the crime zone for forensics" :wink:

Durham? N Yorks? Yorkshire's finest and we try to give value for money :wink: We may not always succeed .. but we do try :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cyclists
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"The number of cyclists injured in England has
increased by 23.8% in the past five years; 13,368
cyclists were admitted to hospital in 2006/7, up
from 10,795 in 2002/3. In 2006/7, 1873 cyclists
were injured after colliding with cars or vans
and 129 were in accidents involving lorries and
buses. 9191 were injured in incidents involving
no other vehicles and 518 hit stationary objects.
A further 208 cyclists collided with other riders
and 89 crashed into people or animals."

This must say something about how cyclists can be a danger to themselves if 9191 were injured involving NO OTHER VEHICLES ........

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"The number of cyclists injured in England has increased by 23.8% in the past five years


That is one of the most bogus types statistic that you will ever see, though you will see it a lot. Without having the statistic for the actual number of miles cycled it is impossible to know if that is an improvement or a worsening.

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This must say something about how cyclists can be a danger to themselves if 9191 were injured involving NO OTHER VEHICLES ......

Indeed it does. It says much the same thing as the vast number of single motor vehicle accidents says about motorists.

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This must say something about how cyclists can be a danger to themselves if 9191 were injured involving NO OTHER VEHICLES ........


You do know those stats include all cycling releated injuries, including mountain biking, which as a sport is about as risky as you can get.

So not only is it a bogus stat because it doesn't bring in "cyclist miles" as a comparison year on year, it doesn't cater for cyclists going out to do out and out dangerous cycling on MTB tracks either.

What's more, simply mounting a bike and falling off whilst doing so is likely to require a trip to hospital, particulary children what with a proliferation of panicky parents these days.


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:gatso2: One Friday afternoon, I had just left my workplace. One step out onto the pavement and this moron of a pavement cyclist rushes past me, missing me by a couple of inches. The imbecile wasn't even looking where he was going. He was looking at the pavement. If he'd hit me, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally. The collision would have been caught on CCTV.

A similar incident occurred on the Dunbar Link, Belfast. I was walking on an enclosed pavement near a building site. Completely boxed in, another one of those idiot pavement cyclists brushes past me with inches to spare.

I had an encounter with another cretin cyclist in Waring Street, Belfast. Another stupid pavement cyclist comes up behind me and cycles around me closely. I was extremely indignant and I shouted. :listenup:"YOU NEARLY KNOCKED ME DOWN. GET THAT F :censored: BIKE OFF THE PAVEMENT YOU STUPID :censored:!" He then gave me a derogatory gesture while stopping at a red light. Vlery nice of him to stop at a red light!

It's now got to the stage when any of these braindead pavement cyclists come too close,I shout abuse at them and hang consequences.

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It's now got to the stage when any of these braindead pavement cyclists come too close,I shout abuse at them and hang consequences.


Give them a little push. Or, even better, get a walking stick and accidentally push it though their front wheel.

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It's now got to the stage when any of these braindead pavement cyclists come too close,I shout abuse at them and hang consequences.


Give them a little push. Or, even better, get a walking stick and accidentally push it though their front wheel.


yup and then see which of you ends up in court :roll:


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It's now got to the stage when any of these braindead pavement cyclists come too close,I shout abuse at them and hang consequences.


Give them a little push. Or, even better, get a walking stick and accidentally push it though their front wheel.


yup and then see which of you ends up in court :roll:


Both of you I'd hope, you for assult and the cyclist for riding on the pavement.


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It is quite amazing seeing the "web-cyclists" become so fastidious about the interpretation of statistics when it suits them, when the same are so frequently so obtuse about them when it suits their agenda.

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