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Never worked at the Cafe, just spent a lot of time there whilst providing fire cover! Haven't flow in there in ages now though.

To the best of my knowledge, Wem is a permanent avoid, so if they do complain, its not us!

Must've been someone else then but it has been many many years since I've been to SAC.

The cooked breakfasts were well worth it though.

They were whilst Nicky ran it. I've heard its gone downhill since.

Great, apart one one minor detail: most fatal crashes are the responsibility of the rider, usually either mucking up a corner or overtake.

'SMIDSY' crashes tend to injure, not kill, riders, as they're more likely to happen in urban areas where speeds are lower.

Some good graphs in here:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/re ... cleacc.pdf

pp 20 - RoWV (SMIDSY) morning & eve 'rush hours' & lunchtime
pp 21 - RoWV Mon-Fri Bends at weekends

pp 29, 36 & 44Diagrams interesting too

pp 24:
Over 15% of total cases involve loss of control on a bend, corner or curve. This type of accident is almost always regarded as primarily the fault of the motorcyclist rather than other road users

pp 49:
Bend accidents are a particular area of concern as our analysis shows that they are over twice as likely to cause a rider or pillion’s death when compared with the sample as a whole, and over one and a half times more likely to cause serious injuries.

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I agree and know that most motorcyclist fatalities are mostly down to rider error especically misjudging a corner.

My point really as as profesionals they are coming up with ideas such as banning motorbikes, when i think they should be coming up with decent ideas to improve safety rather than blanket bans.

My point about http://www.smidsy.org.uk/ was it was one way people were taking positive steps to encourage motorcycle safety in one area rather than just say ban motorbikes, which is kinda pointless since it won't happen so isnt helping the accident rate.

I never meant to suggest http://www.smidsy.org.uk/ was away to dramatically cut motorcycling accidents.

Interesting - but how many more SMIDSYs would we see if it were not for bikers who anticipate, and are very aware out of necessity, that they need to be alert - unlike the 'I'm in a bubble' brigade and 'they can see me'?

Not provable of course, but my bet would be if you took an average driver and forced them to use two wheels for a while, I don't think many of them would last very long...

We have to be more careful. Car drivers don't!


I think I can say that as a statement of fact.

It's the old "if there were a spike in the middile of my steering wheel I would drive more carefully than if I had an airbag" argument.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I must admit that, in the few short weeks that I have returned to biking, I do notice my level of awareness has almost returned to my rallying days. I am still rather cautious (but no slouch at keeping in traffic speeds). I do not, however, get to work these days with little or no recollection of the journey as I have done in the car - an appalling admission, but at an average speed of 12mph, you do tend to 'switch off', something you don't do without your little tin cocoon around you.

BTW, Tone - I wouldn't bother with La Belle France as a getaway from Flash Gordon and his sycophants - whilst The Brussels Reichstag has banned indoor smoking, it has been given the good old Gallic 'Phuque Oph' and people are puffing away just as they always did.

And I know how much you lerrrrrv fag smoke...

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

I am always ready for the next load of anti bike sh*te that rears its ugly head frequently.
Ask yourself this...are your infants,teenagers, and young adults more likely to be killed ON or BY a motorcycle...OR by a 4 wheeled people friendly love bug?
Just look at the facts, even those manipulated stats the authorities regularily spew cannot hide it.

A couple of other useful facts...Bikes kill or maim a miniscule 3rd party, Its usually rider only.
4 wheeled vehicles cause amassive 3rd party count.

so which group is the real anti social and which group is the real threat to public safety?

I say ban four wheels for safety!

Well, France does what France wants, as does everyone else accept GB. I wish we were more like them but I don't like arrogance, which is what it is really. Or are they just standing up for themselves and I'm simply jealous? (That's probably closer to the truth sadly)

GB would rather put on its own kind and ruin our fair land than upset the EU, so it seems to me.

(Good memory BTW Aquila. Although I don't remember mentioning my aversion to fag smoke)

I don't mind breathing in someone's else smoke so long as they don't mind the by-product of my preferred enjoyment, (drink). "Sure you can light-up - if you don't mind me pi$$ing in your face?"

Even that falls short of the same thing because my pi$$ won't increase their risk of heart disease, cancer etc. (may even improve their complexion)

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

'Twere back in June of 2007, when the Health Police were about to get their way and halve the enjoyment of a large proportion of pub-goers - to be replaced, of course, with the droves of folk who didn't use pubs because of the smoke. These poor souls have turned up in such numbers that around 70 pubs a week are closing their doors due to failing revenue in the new, healthy UK. What a result! They must be so pleased!

Sorry to sound so bitter, but a local pub that has been a 'coaching inn' since 1427 is being sold off as a private dwelling and my own 'local' is on its last legs. Very few of the non-smoking regulars in any pub had a problem with those who smoked and the 'atmosphere' has gone from many establishments. People just nip in for a pint on the way home from the Offie, so that they can enjoy a beer and a fag as is their way.

I always thought that the unequivocal subjugation of a minority was called bullying. These days it masquerades as democracy...

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

I think everyone that ever said they would start going to pubs more after the ban (then didn't), should be pressganged into sitting in their local and buying at least five drinks a week.

Trouble is, even the ones that said it and meant it tend to be - shall we say - much lower-spend customers than the smokers who decided to stay at home with ten B&H and a four pack. You've got to sell a lot of halves of shandies to make up for the lost trade of proper pubgoers who maybe worked their way through 3-5 pints a sitting.

I agree with Aquila.

My local watering hole which dates back to the Neolithic period was a real pub until Chef & Brewer got their sticky fingers it on some years ago and turned it into more of a restaurant.

They replaced every light bulb with a firefly's arse so you can't see what you're eating or whether there's a pube in your fine glass of wine madaam.

I say take your overpriced sword fish garnished in crap and your Chateau de puke and bugger off!

I want spit an' sawdust and a pint of real ale. (I think I just found another definition of lower class )

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

And THAT Boys and Girls is the crux of the matter!

Motorcycling is great FUN!

And we all know that this is Soooo wrong in the minds of certain people!

Traveling on the road must not be fun. It is not what they are there for. Roads are only to be used for essential journeys, and even they must be made as boreing and stressfull as possible in order to avoid any possibility of enjoyment.

Its the same logic that says that any car over 500cc is EVIL and us plebs should only be permitted to drive around in bubble cars restricted to 30 mph like the "Personal transporter" in the film Brazil!

And even then we should have to apply for special permission from the ministry of fun to own one. Permission will only be granted if we can;

a) prove a need

b) prove that there is no risk that we might actually enjoy it!!

(Naturally the special circumstances of government ministers requires them, (completly against their will of course) to be cheuferred arround in large luxury saloons)

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