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Why can't we just go back to GOOD MANNERS and CONSIDERATION FOR OTHERS. If these were the main emphasis, I am sure much danger would be avoided and accidents reduced !!

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

Because most people are selfish, inconsiderate, arrogant, self-centred, money-orientated, stupid, indoctrinated fools!

Few people give a $h1t about others anymore! It's all about money. We have lost our way. Today’s generation are emulating the vulgar politicians who control us!

Popularity wins over common sense, more so now than ever before in my memory. If Brown could sing he would probably go on X Factor and rule us for the next X years and so would Chameleon, (opps)


Nice sentiment safedriver but there's no going back I'm afraid. The best you can do is find greener pastures.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Would you believe it? Highway Code rule 125 states:

Be considerate. Be careful of and considerate towards other road users. You should.

Try to be understanding if other drivers cause problems; they may be inexperienced or not know the area well.

Be patient; remember that anyone can make a mistake.

Not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and when you feel relaxed continue your journey.

Slow down and hold back if a vehicle pulls out directly into your path at a junction. Allow it to get clear. Do not over-react by driving too close behind it.

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Anyone who tells you that nothing is impossible has never bathed in a saucer of water.

Absolutely! I try to do my utmost, but get the impression of hedgehogs mating - one pr!ck working against thousands!
Some of the worst protagonists are young women in 'hot hatches' who will barge through any space and expect you to avoid them; their survival depends on your skill and experience, for which they are rewarded with cheap insurance...

And that's fair how?

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Yup.

And I'm the other pr!ck attempting to inject some f!!cking common sense into the driving "gene pool".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way suggesting that I'm a driver possessing a halo of goodness and the implacable air of the perfect wheelsmith. All I do is try - at all times - to make decent progress without obstruction to other road users. I suppose I try to make myself, as a driver, "unobtrusive" and as clear of my intentions as possible.

In Telford, this is uncommonly difficult!

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Simon

Well, I do know one hedgehog who's a real f**ker....

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Hi all, the thread is very long, so please forgive me if I'm putting my foot in it. I haven't read it all.

But you know, let's look at this from another view, and I'm sure that Wildy will back me up in this...

Through-out Europe, the Railways are largely ...unguarded. No Walls, No fences, nothing to stop you from wandering onto the track....if you're daft enough that is! The kids are NOT cut into pieces there daily and the law is NOT saying to the railway, "It's your fault if they do".

Why are our roads any different?................If the driver obeys the law, (30 mph) it's the pedestrians responsibility to the driver to act responsibly!

end of!..........................

And the Parents responsibility to supervise THEIR children!.....for the safety of other road users. i.e...drivers.

A driver is not necessarily obeying the law when driving at 30mph when the maximum speed limit is 30mph, if they don't slow down for hazards for instance.

And I tell you, that sort of belligerent attitude is a one way ticket to 10mph speed limits for sure, because if you're going to stick to the limit and assume that everything ahead of you is going to be clear I'd rather you did that at 10mph than 30mph.

Excuse me if I'm missing something, but doesn't that imply that 30+ mph may be safe in a 30 mph limit where there isn't a hazzard?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Ooh no. Absolutely not. Never. The sign says so. And looking to a sign for guidance on the maximum safe speed is an essential part of good driving. (Except on Autobahns, and the Isle of Man, and other countries, but they have different laws of physics in those places.)

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Well, you know I think no speed is "safe", and 30 mph is an incredibly fast speed, try doing it on a cycle and see how you feel!



You often can't see hazards you might end up dealing with, especially in an urban environment.

Hi Bombus.

Do you think it's OK for people to jump red lights if they look and see it's "safe" to do so?

Try doing 30mph in a jet plane and see how quickly you crash.
Or, more to the point, try doing 1mph on a cycle and see how quickly you fall over.



You adjust your speed accordingly - not exactly rocket science is it?

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

I'm going to avoid giving a proper answer to that question by saying that it's never "safe" to pull out at a junction. (Now do you understand how frustrating it is?)

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Interesting post BT. Just made me think a bit and I wonder if there ever has been a "Golden Age" where folk on the roads were considerate. Could it be that this time is purely a nostalgia and never existed?

Maybe it's the case that as soon as people want to get from A to B their aims are automatically top of their prority list, rather than getting there safely and considerately. I see it on the pavements as a pedestrian, and on the roads as a cyclist and motorist. I wonder if it is simply that there are so many of us trying to get around that the ill feeling is just more noticeable now?

It would be nice to share the roads with considerate folk, but I'm not convinced folk ever have been considerate, so I'm even less sure they ever will be in the future! Maybe, and I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe Regulation, not Eductaion is the answer?

The reason why I think education is the answer is that [many] police officers are trained on how the majority of the rules can be bent or broken without breaking the most important rules (see #1 and #2 below in my sig). When you then take into account the addtional miles they usually drive, and the much riskier things they sometimes do, their safety record makes the majority of the citizenry look mildly retarded.

The additional regulations they might be or are subject to go hand in hand with superior education.

More regulation without more education is EXACTLY the problem we have now. The regs are being generated by people who are smart enough to play 'dumb like a fox', to take advantage of the fact that the majority of those victimized by the new regs either don't see it, don't get it, or feel powerless to do anything about it.

The better trained the drivers are (I'll admit this training must include attitude as well as a version of traffic 'social graces'), the less extra rules would be necessary to keep the majority safe.

If you NEED a stop sign or a redlight or a posted speed 'limit' or anything of that sort to keep you safe, you are in fact a danger that lacks the ability to check itself.

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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation

Weepej, for heavens sake....... You're making a great case for "Big Brother" to take over. Of course the posted speed limit is NOT the end of the matter, and of course a driver can be held to have driven too fast for the conditions even if still below it........

Now tell me Weepje, and please explain, about all the laws which govern the conduct and responsibilies of pedestrians when it comes the safety of drivers........I must admit, I'm at a loss to find any!

You see I think people who choose to drive in such a way that they're always going to hit something if it intrudes into their path are making the biggest case for big brother, as do people that make statements like If the driver obeys the law, (30 mph) it's the pedestrians responsibility to the driver to act responsibly! .

If everybody doubled their vigilance and reduced their speed in residential areas by 20% or so tomorrow and the KSIs dropped below the threshold at which they are perceived to be "a problem" then we wouldn't need all these signs and controls.

I've suggested it before, best way to hit the camera partnerships? Don't speed.



Well there are some regarding loitering etc.. but in general you'll find that it's us car drivers that require the license, training and laws to use our heavy and fast vehicles in public precisly because they carry such potential for disaster; cyclists less so, and pedestrains even less if at all, HGV drivers more so.

That's just ridiculous.

Just because I've got to do 200 mph in a jet plane to stay off the ground or at least 1mph on a cycle so I don't wobble too much (although I can actually sit still on my cycle for a good time) doesn't mean the minimum speed itself is safe.

Air traffic is rigerously controlled, in a such way that I'm sure would make many drivers spit feathers if they were subject to such "intrusion", the required space between planes is so large and the traffic control so regulated precisely becuase they have to travel at such speeds.

Anyway, cars (the subject of this thread) have no such minimum speed, and can happily trundle along at 5mph with no issues.

Emitting even greater volumes of poisonous gases.................

(This troll-feeding is very infectious! )