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 Post subject: March of the Zealots
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Imagine telling somebody twenty years ago that by 2007, it would be illegal to smoke in a pub or bus shelter or your own vehicle or that there would be £80 fines for dropping cigarette butts, or that the words "tequila slammer" would be illegal or the government would mandate what angle a drinker's head in an advertisement may be tipped at, or that it would be illegal to criticise religions or homosexuality, or rewire your own house, or that having sex after a few drinks would be classed as rape or that the State would be confiscating children for being overweight.



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Imagine telling somebody twenty years ago that by 2007, it would be....


Imagine telling somebody just TEN years ago, that by 2007....


The linked page, http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/zealots.htm , is probably the best passage I have ever read about the world we live in. Here's a snippet :

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In this new age we are all enjoined to live as long as possible, regardless of quality of life. This is strange in a place like Blair’s Britain, where old age is something to be anticipated with dread. The lucky ones are merely neglected, while the state strips them of their property and savings. Before the coming of the zealots, people were entitled to choose their own life styles and accept the consequences. Not so now! Conformity is the keyword. Behaviour of which the new elite disapproves is artificially medicalised and the epidemiologists are on hand to “prove” that all politically incorrect activity causes mortal disease. A short life and a merry one, no more: by decree, life has to be long and grim.

Compulsory longevity was a boon to the new authoritarians. They merely had to establish a link (sometimes real, usually imaginary) between politically incorrect behaviour and increased mortality to provide a launch pad for a campaign of fearmongering and control.

Stage two is the publication of limits recommended by the Government. These are invariably plucked out of the air with no evidence of reasoning.

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or the government would mandate what angle a drinker's head in an advertisement may be tipped at


When I lived in America c1980, my girlfriend (later wife!) pointed out something I'd never noticed in beer/alcohol commercials. The subjects in the advertisement were allowed to raise their glasses in a toast, but were not allowed to actually imbibe from any bottle/glass/can.

I've often heard it said that what happens in America has a nasty habit of happening here 20-30 years later. I've seen that borne out so many times.


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or that the words "tequila slammer" would be illegal


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or that the words "tequila slammer" would be illegal


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Yeah, not sure where that one came from. Maybe some obscure law in one of the "bible belt" states, I don't know.

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Tequila slammers are for nancies. You wanna try a tequila suicide... :twisted:

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Yeah, not sure where that one came from. Maybe some obscure law in one of the "bible belt" states, I don't know.


Apparently, sex toys are illegal in some bible belt states such as Texas. :lol: Seems funny that a state like Texas would ban dildoes. After all, there's enough of 'em living there.


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I've heard it said that in some of the "bible belt" states if a (married) couple are indulging in some fairly active sex and, by accident, fall out of bed, they'll break about 20 laws before they hit the ground! :-)

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Do you ever hear George Monbiot saying "Yes, I don't agree with Viscount Monckton, but I have to admit he's a very clever fellow and many of his arguments have some merit"? Do we ever read on Brake's so-called "road safety" website about the vast majority of drivers who go about their business calmly, considerately and safely?

Do the soi-disant "experts" who advise the government on health issues ever come clean and admit that the majority of fat people are healthy, active and lead long and happy lives? Will any of them admit that they have yet to find a single, solitary properly-documented case of someone dying from passive smoking? Or that children brought up in the 1950s when buses, trains and cinemas reeked with cigarette smoke and the atmosphere outside was heavy with pollution from coal-fires, industry and steam trains, had a far lower incidence of asthma than today's coddled infants?


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Some of this is pure bollox!
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Imagine telling somebody twenty years ago that by 2007, it would be illegal to smoke in a pub or bus shelter or your own vehicle


Illegal to smoke in your own vehicle? Well, not quite.

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or that there would be £80 fines for dropping cigarette butts


So, what's the author saying? Some people are a special case and should be allowed to drop litter? Where does that stop? It's OK to drop a cigarette butt but not a newspaper? Why would there be a difference?

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or that the words "tequila slammer" would be illegal

Really? Haven't seen that

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or the government would mandate what angle a drinker's head in an advertisement may be tipped at, or that it would be illegal to criticise religions or homosexuality, or rewire your own house, or that having sex after a few drinks would be classed as rape or that the State would be confiscating children for being overweight.


Now, as far as I am aware having sex after a few drinks is not classed as rape and it is NOT illegal to re-wire your own house. -It's illegal for an unqualified and uninsured cowboy 'builder' to rewire your house, but is that a bad thing? Really?

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Or that children brought up in the 1950s when buses, trains and cinemas reeked with cigarette smoke and the atmosphere outside was heavy with pollution from coal-fires, industry and steam trains, had a far lower incidence of asthma than today's coddled infants?


Funnily enough, this reminds me of my youth and of trips to the shoe shop.

The one we went to had a flouroscope (a type of X Ray machine) that you stuck your feet in a slot at the base of and looked through a hood (a bit like on a "What the butler saw" machine") in order to see whether your toes were being squished or not.

(Important for childern since their bones are soft and squishing, whilst having the potential to cause serious damage, does not cause significant discomfort)

Now of course, such machines were duely banned on "Health" grounds but I cannot help feeling that if these machines were really a problem then there would be a load of people out there in their 50's and upwards developing bizarre "Foot Cancers"!

As far as I am aware, no such epidemic exists.

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Now of course, such machines were duely banned on "Health" grounds but I cannot help feeling that if these machines were really a problem then there would be a load of people out there in their 50's and upwards developing bizarre "Foot Cancers"!

As far as I am aware, no such epidemic exists.


Quite. But the problem was more to do with those who were near the machines on a daily basis.
Having x-rays does increase your chances of developing cancers later in life, but that depends on the doseage.
I think the nrpb quotes the statistical amount of deaths of women, per year, from breast cancers caused by xrays as 66.
So, while no epidemic of foot cancer exists among those whose feet where examined with the equipment, the same cannot be said about the operators.
Note: At the time of the uses of these machines (1940-1970) nobody thought much about radiation induced cancers....and as far as I know, nobody has done any work work on past users.

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Despite these relatively high exposures, there were no reported injuries to shoe store customers. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the operators of these machines. Many shoe salespersons put their hands into the x-ray beam to squeeze the shoe during the fitting. As a result, one saleswoman who had operated a shoe fitting fluoroscope 10 to 20 times each day over a ten year period developed dermatitis of the hands. One of the more serious injuries linked to the operation of these machines involved a shoe model who received such a serious radiation burn that her leg had to be amputated (Bavley 1950).



And those few are highly likely to be just the tip of the iceberg....

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You may like (or not) to do some calculations relating the xray dose from the foot machines and the dose from a chest CT scan today...
2 REM is about 20 msv

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Well, of course that is true. And we probabally are better off using less invasive methods for determining whether or not shoes fit.

Having said that, the argument (operator protection) is the same argument used for the smoking ban. Its not to protect the person traveling on the bus, going to the cinema or popping in for a drink. Its there to protect the people who work there and are exposed to high levels of smoke all, each, and every day!

(PS I actually have an interst in "Radiation Hormosis" It may well be that although the operators high doses were damaging, perhaps the low doses that the users were exposed to have actually protected them from Foot Cancer!?! :wink: )

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Well, of course that is true. And we probabally are better off using less invasive methods for determining whether or not shoes fit.

Having said that, the argument (operator protection) is the same argument used for the smoking ban. Its not to protect the person traveling on the bus, going to the cinema or popping in for a drink. Its there to protect the people who work there and are exposed to high levels of smoke all, each, and every day!

(PS I actually have an interst in "Radiation Hormosis" It may well be that although the operators high doses were damaging, perhaps the low doses that the users were exposed to have actually protected them from Foot Cancer!?! :wink: )


The doses were not that low, compared to doses used today they were very high. The use of radiation to provoke a protective response is unlikely to be of any use since we are continually being iradiated anyway.

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Yeah, not sure where that one came from. Maybe some obscure law in one of the "bible belt" states, I don't know.


Apparently, sex toys are illegal in some bible belt states such as Texas. :lol: Seems funny that a state like Texas would ban dildoes. After all, there's enough of 'em living there.


:gatso2: And didn't one of them become President? :rotfl:

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or that the words "tequila slammer" would be illegal


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I'd vote for that. Evil stuff...


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