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Who can you turn too when you buy 2 brand new vehicles in this case 2 x Iveco Stralis 6x2 twin steer no lift axle and you realise there are serious safety concerns with them but you are strung along for a year by the dealer who keeps assuring you it is a computer glitch and they will rectify the faults.
One year on we still have the safety issues, we took these off the road in November 2007 after both were involved in accidents directly attributed to the faults and they remain off the road despite us paying for them still carrying out safety checks regular and services despite they never go out these vehicles are costing us £4000.00 a month and we earn nothing from them. We have tried talking to the manufacturer but they just say they are ok despite the fact they are not. We are a new company trading for our third year but these trucks are dragging us down and we cant afford to take legal action so what do we do? Any thoughts.......

Hey phil

What's the problem with them?

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These have serious loss of traction, no matter what trailer they pull empty loaded etc the drive axle wheels keep spinning up and yes the traction controll lights flash like christmas tree lights but they do not stop the wheel spin. It is so bad it is ripping chunks off of the tyres. We have had iveco send out there senior engineer and there test driver who took them both out and despite driving like miss daisy never going over 30mph he could not stop them spinning either, there engineer said "they are very poorly" then Iveco sent a letter saying they are all ok the dealer has been working in conjunction with Iveco and they have closed ranks denying any fault now. We have paid for an independant report by A.C.E and they have come back and said they are seriously flawed and unsafe, we sent this to VOSA who said they dont like to get involved and they have spoken to Iveco and Iveco have told them they are fine and slipping like this is normal, so they tell me they can not make the manafacturer do anything, what a joke we have been fighting Iveco for nearly six months they just come back with a load of excusses, where do you go David verses Goliahth spings to mind they are bullys..........

I wish I could give you good news, but a similar constant problem with a Stralis braking system and electrics, cost my mate his business and home thanks to these damn rubbish trucks. maybe I'm being unfair and it's just the UK dealers who are useless?
Iveco UK just don't give a toss once you've paid.

We know exactly what you mean and please send my commissaries to your mate......I am pulling my hair out we employ 15 people and work is scarce at the moment and we could well do without the constant drain of these VOR vehicles.

Does anybody know of other Iveco Strralis 6x2 tractor units without lift axles I cant believe we are the only ones suffering with this problem as we bought these vehicles together new and the chasis numbers are hundreds apart yet they have the identical problem Iveco are telling VOSA that they have no other reports of this problem (Recalls cost millions)
Phil

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KR
Phil

I think the cause of your problem is probably the lack of a lift axle, I had a 95xf with twin steer, no lift axle, and had exactly the same problem of wheel spin.
Despite getting used to it, I often got wheel spin regardless of how light I was on the gas. I also got wheelspin when fully laden.
As soon as you get wheelspin, you are no longer in full control of the vehicle.
The traction control is also probably set wrong, not kicking in soon enough.
Time to send them back to Iveco and try a different make.
I remember the M-B Axxor was dreadful for wheelspin, laden or not, but I believe M-B did something about it.

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Thanks (Nice Quote)
This is not just wheel spin, this is a constant wheel spin laden or un-laden with different types of trailer with the fifth wheel pulled right back forward on dry roads in the wet or ice it just doesn’t cope at all lucky for us we have had mild winters, I have been driving for over 20 years and have driven most makes and combinations but I have never felt like my arse was chewing the seat every time i go out in it to demo the problem. I have even had another experienced driver come out in it for a test drive which lasted about 10 minuets and he said he has been selling trucks for over 10 years and he has never come across such a severe case of loss of traction and i quote he said these trucks are f****** dangerous and he would not like to repeat the test. We are pulling out are hair with these trucks and the fact they are on operator lease means they have us by the b******* because we cant sell them and we cant return them until we spend more money proving they are not fit for purpose in the mean time they are draining our finance as we are paying for the most expensive useless ornaments I have come across. The fight continues.........
KR
Phil

hi mate i am an iveco trained technician, it does sound like a non lift axle problem, is the middle axle on springs or air, also asr wont stop the wheels spinning, crap i know, which dealer are trying or have tried to solve the problem. also could you tell me the model of stralis and i will try to find out some info.

Hi Jules4485

The second steer axle is on air and yes they have dumped all the air from the axle down to 5 psi. I can assure you that this is far more than a little light footedness from not having a lift axle. both units which are 6x2 twin steer 440 units running on two different types of tyre I.E conti on one unit pirelli on the other these spin up constantly even under full 44 tonne conditions on straight dry roads. My feeling is that it is a torque problem because the problem is the same under all conditions except under full load it rips big chunks off the tyre as apposed to bouncing.
If you would care to come try for your self we would be more than happy to arrange it we are in kent where are you? Iveco themselves have been looking at these trucks even there test driver could not stop them spinning.
KR
Phil

[quote=If you are a small company expect to get dumped on by the big ones"MagnumPhil"]Hi Jules4485

The second steer axle is on air and yes they have dumped all the air from the axle down to 5 psi. I can assure you that this is far more than a little light footedness from not having a lift axle. both units which are 6x2 twin steer 440 units running on two different types of tyre I.E conti on one unit pirelli on the other these spin up constantly even under full 44 tonne conditions on straight dry roads. My feeling is that it is a torque problem because the problem is the same under all conditions except under full load it rips big chunks off the tyre as apposed to bouncing.
If you would care to come try for your self we would be more than happy to arrange it we are in kent where are you? Iveco themselves have been looking at these trucks even there test driver could not stop them spinning.
KR
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