Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Thu Apr 30, 2026 14:17

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » Specific road user groups » Motorcycling

All times are UTC [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 2
  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
  Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Dixie
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:56 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 19:50
Posts: 3369
Location: Lost in the Wilderness
Daily Telegraph

Quote:
Ban motorcycles, safety expert says
By David Millward, Transport Editor
Last Updated: 7:15am GMT 22/02/2008

Motorbikes should be banned as part of a plan to eliminate road deaths, a safety expert has claimed.

Erin Baker's motoring blog
Iveco LMV: Dangerous World
The goal of stopping deaths on the roads has been set by a number of countries including Norway, Australia and Sweden, where the programme has been called “Vision Zero”.

But Norwegian safety expert Rune Elvik said for it to happen, policy makers should consider the radical step of banning motorbikes.

“If they are serious about these lofty road safety ambitions that have been announced then I think such a discussion is needed,” he said in an interview with Motor Cycle News.

“Motorcycling would definitely not be allowed.”

Mr Elvik, research chief at the Norwegian Institute of Transport Economics, said motorcycles are incompatible with the target of eliminating road deaths.

But his view was dismissed by Craig Carey-Clinch, spokesman for the Motorcycle Industry Association.

“He clearly does not understand the contribution motorcycling makes to transport, easing congestion and reducing CO2 emissions. He really needs to get a sense of perspective.”

_________________
Useless laws weaken necessary laws.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
hampshireian
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 14:22 
Offline
User

Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 20:06
Posts: 77
Take this to its ultimate conclusion

dig up all roads and you get

No roads therefore no road deaths :twisted:

_________________
Re vera, cara mea, mea nil refert
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
malcolmw
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 14:31 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 14:26
Posts: 4364
Location: Hampshire/Wiltshire Border
This is pretty old news as Vision Zero has been about for some time.

Unfortunately, as the single object of this programme is to reduce deaths on the road to zero by any means, it is supported by people who fail to take into account the real world and the risks of life.

_________________
Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Maaarrghk!
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 22:46 
Offline
User

Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2007 16:30
Posts: 119
As Malcolmw says, it's quite old news and lead to the Mulhouse Declaration around 10 years back.
The worrying thing as that these nutters are still getting some form of a living out of this nonsense.
I think this may be the same guy that is pushing "intelligent" speed control, a system of linking all vehicles to GPS and automatically adjusting speeds to comply with the limit at the vehicles location.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zcar
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 23:50 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:27
Posts: 21
Bloody ridiculous - if they start doing draconian things like that I'd go and live somewhere that isn't a nanny state.
:evil:
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
mpaton2004
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 01:37 
Offline
User

Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 21:19
Posts: 1059
Motorcycles are deadly though
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
RobinXe
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 02:18 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member

Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 14:06
Posts: 3654
Location: Oxfordshire
Yes, motorcycles kill people, not people, motorcycles!

Nice to see you back though Captain Patton!
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Sixy_the_red
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 09:14 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 08:22
Posts: 2618
mpaton2004 wrote:
Motorcycles are deadly though


Only when placed in close proximity to a moron. :roll:

_________________
Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PeterE
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:18 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:09
Posts: 6737
Location: Stockport, Cheshire
mpaton2004 wrote:
Motorcycles are deadly though

By the same logic pedal cycles should be banned too.

:scratchchin: Oh no, can't do that, they're shibboleths of political correctness :roll:

_________________
"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Gizmo
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:44 
Offline
Member
Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:16
Posts: 3655
Yep.....To continue on this thinking would require cycling to be banned, since mile-for-mile cycling only half the risk of motorcycling and fifteen times more dangerius than driving a car.

I wounder how that one would go down!

Its a very old story. Even in Sweden (where it is "claimed" to be adopted) they have a very large motorcycling community and the Swedish government have stated they will not ban motorcycles.

I can't believe this crap still keeps circulating.

_________________
Speed camera policy Kills
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Big Tone
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 14:57 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
It's all part of the crap spewed forth for which I blame H&S.

We'd better ban all our kitchen knives too, because knives kill.

We'd better ban alchohol because that kills.

We'd better ban cheap food becuase some people don't eat responsibly.

"Help me nanny! Protect me from the big bad world!"

I stubbed my toe on the coffee table the other day, I think we should ban them too. (actually, it really did hurt :hoppingmad: )

I'm with you zcar, I can see a day when I'll be off. Let me know which country's best, I'm thinking France, America or Spain...

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
mpaton2004
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 15:21 
Offline
User

Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 21:19
Posts: 1059
RobinXe wrote:
Yes, motorcycles kill people, not people, motorcycles!

Nice to see you back though Captain Patton!


I remember you from when you worked at Sleap airfield in the cafe :)

Did you use to come in on a VFR now and again?

Do Wem still complain about overflying aircraft on base?
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Big Tone
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 15:48 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
Oh,oh! I nearly forgot a biggie..

Whatever you do DON'T GET ON A HORSE!


Figures from Stoke Mandeville hospital have revealed that horse riders are over 21 times more likely than motorcyclists to have a serious accident.

The hospital found that horse riders have a serious accident every 350 hours on average, compared to every 7500 hours on a motorcycle.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... =EPI-90094


Sorry, no more horse riding (Think I know what Claire will think of that ;) )

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Big Tone
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 15:50 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
I've just realised what that means. The more horse power you have the safer. :hehe:

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Kenny1975
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 16:51 
Offline
User

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 17:36
Posts: 42
I never take much notice of the ban motorbike thing that keeps on cropping up because it always seem to crop up but never goes anywhere near becoming legislation.

If it ever does get close to becoming EU legislation i would be one of the first out on the streets protesting against it with no doubt thousands of others.

I find it a shame these days they probably get paid loads of money to come up with these solutions, in their profession they could come up with decent ideas to improve the safety of riders like http://www.smidsy.org.uk/ but instead they go for cheap publicity and spout crap.

I wouldn’t say motorcycles are dangerous as such but there is defiantly a higher risk involved riding them and the driver needs to be aware of this and employ decent defensive riding techniques.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Big Tone
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 17:24 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
I couldn't agree more with you Kenny/Ken.

There would be the biggest uprising this country has seen in a very long time if they tried that. They have already turned the screw on us, you only have to look at how few younger people are taking it up.

They should be encouraging motorbikes in this greener world. It's discrimmination, plain and simple!

I personally know people of all ages and backgrounds who are passionate about motorcycling.

It never ceases to amaze me how minority groups are protected and no-one dares to say a thing, but when it comes to motorbikes we're a fair target.

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
malcolmw
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 18:05 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 14:26
Posts: 4364
Location: Hampshire/Wiltshire Border
Kenny1975 wrote:
If it ever does get close to becoming EU legislation i would be one of the first out on the streets protesting against it with no doubt thousands of others.


Big Tone wrote:
There would be the biggest uprising this country has seen in a very long time if they tried that.


I'm sorry but you are living in hope here. Over a million people took to the streets to support hunting. The result: a ban. The Government will take no notice of you. There is a significant minority of people who will support a motorcycle ban (as they are "obviously dangerous") just like the camera supporters.

You see, if your opinion supports Government policy you are worth 100 opponents.

_________________
Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Big Tone
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 18:16 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
malcolmw wrote:
Kenny1975 wrote:
If it ever does get close to becoming EU legislation i would be one of the first out on the streets protesting against it with no doubt thousands of others.


Big Tone wrote:
There would be the biggest uprising this country has seen in a very long time if they tried that.


I'm sorry but you are living in hope here. Over a million people took to the streets to support hunting. The result: a ban. The Government will take no notice of you. There is a significant minority of people who will support a motorcycle ban (as they are "obviously dangerous") just like the camera supporters.

You see, if your opinion supports Government policy you are worth 100 opponents.


I did think of that example but IMHO there wasn't gobs of money involved. The motorcycle industry is worth a small fortune, even in little ole' GB.

If there was money to be made in the fox hunting issue you can bet it would be alive and thriving today, (except for the foxes of course) ;)

You can always count on governments to do the rig£t thing.

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Big Tone
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 18:33 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
Forgive me but, I just had to google :)



"Diversity in motorcycling is maintained as figures released by the Motor Cycle Industry Association show a continuing growth on the year to date sales from 2004 to 2005 in the adventure sport (32%), naked (15%) and custom (7%) sectors.

The registration figures overall show that the total sales of motorcycles during June 2005 are just up by 1% on June 2004, but total registrations, including mopeds and scooters, for the year to date and month on month comparisons are however down by 2%. By comparison to the car industry, motorcycle sales are more favourable. The car industry saw a drop in sales figures. New car registrations in July 2005 are down 6.6% on July 2004 and down 5.9% year to date."

Interest and enthusiasm for motorcycling is still strong in the UK, and there are approximately 3.5 million people who have motorcycle entitlement on their licence. There is also good news for motorcyclists that riding a bike or scooter, of any type is getting safer.

Department for Transport figures show the number of powered two-wheeler (PTW) casualties fell by 16% in 2004 (585 deaths) compared to 2003. Although PTW traffic fell during this period it resulted in a further improved casualty rate per mile.

Craig Carey-Clinch, MCI's Director of Public Affairs said, "Motorcycle sales have remained relatively stable this month and people are still choosing a diverse range of bikes to meet their different needs. Year to date figures show that the adventure sport sector is experiencing the biggest growth but when you look at the figures from July 2004 compared to July 2005 the sports/ touring sector saw an increase of 13% and the supersport sector an increase of 10%.

"People's interest in motorcycling is broadening and there are more reasons than ever for people to either continue riding or start, whether it is for leisure or commuting purposes. Safer roads, avoiding congestion and adopting a cost-effective and convenient way of travelling are just some of the explanations that maintain motorcycling's appeal.



http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.u ... 08_05.html


:D Image

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
adam.L
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 15:10 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member

Joined: Sun Jun 27, 2004 14:47
Posts: 1659
Location: A Dark Desert Highway
with this mind set we perhaps should all be driving SUV's, after all they are big and are more likely to squash than be squashed. But as we all know on here 'tis better not to crash in the first place.

Once all motorcycles are banned how are all those 2 wheeled commuters going to get to work? Even on the stupidly short distance I ride mine to work each day I get a good 70mpg and it never gets warmed up, the car might get 20mpg. Should I ride the bike to save the world or drive the car to save myself?
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 2
  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Board index » Specific road user groups » Motorcycling

All times are UTC [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.106s | 12 Queries | GZIP : Off ]