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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 13:33 
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MANCHESTER MP John Leech has won a national award for his drive to get a 20mph speed limit on local roads.

The Withington MP was named in the Commons as Parliamentarian of the Year by the road safety charity Brake.

He has been calling for lower speed limits, particularly near schools, for years. The M.E.N. has also been campaigning to keep children safe from speeding drivers.

Lib Dem Mr Leech has stepped up his campaign to save young lives with a call for a minimum speed limit of 20mph on urban roads; and roadside pedestrian training for children.

Mr Leech said he was `delighted' over the award because road safety was often overshadowed by safety concerns on other forms of transport.

"But consistently, year on year, more people die or are seriously injured on our roads and this is unlikely to go away unless politicians take action in Parliament," he said.

Mr Leech said he believed all areas should have 20mph limits - unless urban councils believed it should be higher.

"In my area, Parrs Wood Road should be a 20mph area, while the main Kingsway Road may have to have a higher limit," Mr Leech said.

He was presented with his award in the Commons by Transport Minister Jim Fitzpatrick.


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minimum speed limit of 20mph on urban roads;


No, no, no, no, no :banghead:

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and roadside pedestrian training for children.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes :bighand:

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a 20mph minimum speed limit?

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a 20mph minimum speed limit?


No go Britain :(

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Dixie wrote:
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a 20mph minimum speed limit?


No go Britain :(

That would be a 20mph maximum speed limit.
An urban 20mph minimum speed limit would be quite insane.
But so would a 20mph maximum speed limit, for different reasons.

I drove through a place which has a 20mph limit now. It was 30 last time! I still drove the same as before, very slow for the blind bends and faster for the up-hill straights. Except this time I did it all in second gear. :twisted:

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"In my area, Parrs Wood Road should be a 20mph area, while the main Kingsway Road may have to have a higher limit," Mr Leech said.

Umm, Parrs Wood Road is a wide, straight suburban distributor road. It is one thing to want 20 mph limits on small residential streets (although not something I agree with), something else entirely to want them on urban main roads.

This map extract shows both Parrs Wood Road (currently 30) and Kingsway (currently 40).

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a 20mph minimum speed limit?

On this type of subject, I saw a bus today with "up to every 20 minutes" written on the side. I'm not sure what this means. :)

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When is some one with better writing skills than me going to write some press releases and ping them to Claire?

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And I thought this post was about some MP speedily getting off his well paid a*** and protecting the interests of the motorist ( puts pig headgear protection back in cupboard)

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Dixie wrote:
No go Britain :(


How so? Average speeds across our towns and cities (certainly London)are not more than 20mph anyway (9 mph in the day in London IIRC), so you might be able to get to 30 or 40 between the junctions and queues, but overall there's absolutely no point at all in doing so.

The number of times I see people flooring it between stopping at junctions or queues in London is ridiculous. Trying to beat the amber/red light is just as pointless.

People need to chill out.


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John Leech MP via MEN wrote:
Mr Leech said he was `delighted' over the award because road safety was often overshadowed by safety concerns on other forms of transport.

"But consistently, year on year, more people die or are seriously injured on our roads and this is unlikely to go away unless politicians take action in Parliament," he said.
:readit: :clap:


So, a 'road safety' award to someone who acknowledges that the existing policy is FAILING year on year - but who still advocates more drastic doses of speed restriction :banghead: :hoppingmad: whilst proposing an urban minimum:clap: speed limit of :20:


Write this as fiction and no publisher would accept it!


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John Leech MP via MEN wrote:
Mr Leech said he was `delighted' over the award because road safety was often overshadowed by safety concerns on other forms of transport.

"But consistently, year on year, more people die or are seriously injured on our roads and this is unlikely to go away unless politicians take action in Parliament," he said.

This statement is incorrect anyway as nationwide there continues to be a slow fall in KSIs and fatalities are about static.

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"But consistently, year on year, more people die or are seriously injured on our roads and this is unlikely to go away unless politicians take action in Parliament," he said.

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This statement is incorrect anyway as nationwide there continues to be a slow fall in KSIs and fatalities are about static.


I know it is...it just struck me as incongruous that such conflicting beliefs (as are ireported) merits a 'road safety award'

But, on reflection, the 'award' is promulgated by Brake!


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PeterE wrote:
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John Leech MP via MEN wrote:
Mr Leech said he was `delighted' over the award because road safety was often overshadowed by safety concerns on other forms of transport.

"But consistently, year on year, more people die or are seriously injured on our roads and this is unlikely to go away unless politicians take action in Parliament," he said.

This statement is incorrect anyway as nationwide there continues to be a slow fall in KSIs and fatalities are about static.


Yeah but I'm not sure its meant to be read that way Peter. I think it meant, last year 'some' people were killed and this year 'some more' people (as in 'another lot of') will be killed.

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Yes , but it wasn't a real award. It was from those jokers at Break.

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Yes , but it wasn't a real award. It was from those jokers at Break.


Are there any SafeSpeed Awards? Might help promote the cause.

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Yes , but it wasn't a real award. It was from those jokers at Break.

Correct, Its a carefully orchestrated propaganda conspiracy between Brake, PACTS and Fitzpatrick to leave a perception that there is some kind of especial competitive merit not to say legitimacy in the extreme postion that MP Leech has recommended. When all the while the Press Release about the Award is timed to bring it to the surface again.

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weepej wrote:
Dixie wrote:
No go Britain :(


How so? Average speeds across our towns and cities (certainly London)are not more than 20mph anyway (9 mph in the day in London IIRC), so you might be able to get to 30 or 40 between the junctions and queues, but overall there's absolutely no point at all in doing so.

The number of times I see people flooring it between stopping at junctions or queues in London is ridiculous. Trying to beat the amber/red light is just as pointless.

People need to chill out.


That might be the case at 08:30 but it certainly is not at 21:30. Think about it WP

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With Re: to weepej - you are correct that during parts of the day you might as well have a 20mph throughout PARTS of London because in PARTS of London you barely scrape a 10mph average. However, in the other parts you can easily average higher than 20mph so whacking a blanket 20mph will just slow progress down needlessly.

On top of that, I tend to do most of my travelling outside peak hours through London (e.g. to the M40 from SW London through Fulham, Sheperds Bush etc), around 11pm-1am. So under the blanket 20mph rule proposition I might as well join the rest and travel at peak hours, increasing congestion + pollution because the benefit of travelling off peak will be nutralised by an ill-thought out campaign, no doubt enforced by cameras which don't take account of time of day!

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On the other topic - Why the hell do this idiot 'charity' Brake get any recognition for some made up award? They are not a government body but for some reason their 'award' gets announced and handed over in the commons :|


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Well I think it's worth having a go. The UK's child pedestrian casualty figures are terrible, and when the 20mph urban speed limit was brought in to Hull, the child pedestrian casualty numbers fell by 67%. What are we afraid of? We might go from being one of the most dangerous countries in Europe for child pedestrian casualties, to one of the safest. I hope so.


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