Safe Speed Forums

I actually really look forward to the day when a pro-camera poster comes on here and is able to engage in reasonable logical debate on road safety matters without making a fool of himself with repeated Ad Hominem fallacies and mudslinging.

Gatso Forever, no-one here is saying that speed limit enforcement does not have its part to play in road safety policy. But when it is used to the exclusion of everything else (including road re-engineering, driver education & a police presence on the roads) it has the obvious potential to do more harm than good.

A good analogy is this.. Think of our roads as a waiting room full of sick patients, representing the different causes of road accidents. The Government's road safety policy is the Doctor.

A good Doctor will examine each patient individually, analyse their symptoms, make a diagnosis and prescribe the appropriate treatment.

But imagine a Doctor who dispenses with study and diagnosis, and just blindly prescribes Asprin to everyone. Sure, the Asprin will, by complete chance, be the correct remedy for some of his patients. However, most of his patients will remain as sick as before. Some may even be made even more ill by the misapplied remedy.

Then you discover that this Doctor makes a commission from the Pharmaceutical company for each box of Asprin he prescribes.

Would you put your life in the hands of this man?

I have never - except in some hugely contrived examples with a likelihood approaching zero - seen any examples where the lower ranges of safe speeds start above the legal threshold.

You gave a definition for a legal and appropriate speed.

The trouble is, using your analogy, SS would be campaigning to ban the use of Asprins, so, people who would benefit from Asprins would be denied that.

So, what you are saying that SS members want are the following:
1) Remove cameras from roads where you want to drive faster than the speed limit

(how many roads are there that have NEVER had ANY pedestrians on them?)

2) Stop using official statistics and only use the ones that support you case for higher speed limits (and therefore more danger)

3) Stop introducing cameras - don't forget; the only reason 'revenue is raised' is because of motorists who break speed limits that are extremely well signed - if you lot complain about this, there is one very simple solution - DON'T SPEED

And of course odin police can be on every single street and corner to replace speed cameras?

And show us proof speed cameras that they don't work in saving lives?

Oh you can't as there are no proof, as your own opinion is not proof.

So Odin wise one, at what speed is speeding 5,10 or more?

This presupposes that speed is the highest priority, this has yet to be proven to be the case, thus traffic police enforcing all traffic law rather than cameras dogmatically enforcing a tiny aspect of traffic law is preferable.



And there is no proof the other way either, since similarly your own opinion is not proof.
We know that admissions to hospital have not changed, but apparently there is a 40% drop in accidents. How is this the case?


Why ask me this question, you have not supplied enough information in the question for me to answer. On what road, with what driver, in what conditions, what condition is the vehicle in, what vehicle are we talking about, what experience does the driver have, at what time, how many hazards etc. etc.
Ask an experienced traffic officer at the time of the offence to get a sensible answer to this question.

But then again not answering by answering with questions of your own, is proof you cannot admit you can't answer my speed question?