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I find it hard to believe anyone would think banning hand guns is silly.

Because it only really affects law-abiding citizens. I don't think those people who are predisposed to shoot someone have really been put off by the legislation.


Yes, but the legislation makes it harder to get hold of illegal firearms for those who intend to cause harm

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How does it? There is a proliferation of illegal weapons which has not been addressed by the ban. If you know where to go there are pubs in most major cities where you can get a pistol for about £250, no questions asked. Please explain what the ban on legal guns has done to address that.

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How does it? There is a proliferation of illegal weapons which has not been addressed by the ban. If you know where to go there are pubs in most major cities where you can get a pistol for about £250, no questions asked. Please explain what the ban on legal guns has done to address that.

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Prior to the ban on handguns (an over-reaction in my opinion) it would be possible to argue that some of the guns used by criminals were stolen legally held guns.

Now many of the guns that come in are coming in as the result of the breakdown of society in Eastern Europe. Many of the guns previously owned by their armed forces are being sold and smuggled to places like the UK. That's something I have seen reported and perhaps there's something in it.

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Well, I've not noticed any reduction in gun crime. All it's done is to screw things up for the legitimate shooters, IMO.

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Well, I've not noticed any reduction in gun crime. All it's done is to screw things up for the legitimate shooters, IMO.


If there WAS a reduction in gun crime, it was probably so small it was hardly noticeable.

But then the government decided to reduce customs officers, so smuggling drugs, guns, etc., became that much easier.

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Prior to the ban on handguns (an over-reaction in my opinion) it would be possible to argue that some of the guns used by criminals were stolen legally held guns.


Are you aware of the conditions under which legally licenced handguns had to be kept, prior to the ban?

It would have been infinitely easier to smuggle in weapons, even then, than to steal legitimate ones.


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It really is futile to try and control guns or flick-knives IMO. The bad element will always find a way of getting them.

What always makes me smile is the amnesty which pops its head up every so often. Exactly who do they think returns the guns and knives?

Well duh.

I had a shotgun licence back in in the mid 80s and sometime, around early 90s I think, they politely asked me if I would like to relinquish it.

It was a prerequisite to have checks on me to get one in the first place and someone of 'special standing' had to endorse my application.

Well, after all, I'm the sort of guy who could go crazy. I'll have to take up archery instead I guess.

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Are you aware of the conditions under which legally licenced handguns had to be kept, prior to the ban?
Precisely. Locked safe or gun cabinet, regular police inspection and so on.

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A study by the Metropolitan Police of 657 armed robberies in the London area from January 1988 to June 1991 found that half the robberies were perpetrated with imitation firearms. Of the remaining 328 real weapons, only one involved a gun which had ever been within the Firearms Certificate system.


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If you live in block of flats or stay in hotel even.. in Switzerland.. you not supposed to flush the Klo after midnight as it can wake up the folk next door.. :? :shock:


My work collegue just told me that it's illigal to slam the car door either. Is he pulling my leg Wildy?

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I find it hard to believe anyone would think banning hand guns is silly.

Because it only really affects law-abiding citizens. I don't think those people who are predisposed to shoot someone have really been put off by the legislation.


Yes, but the legislation makes it harder to get hold of illegal firearms for those who intend to cause harm

OK, so pre-ban, I go into a pub, hand over my £250 and get an illegal gun and go shoot someone. Now, post-ban, I go into same pub, hand over my £250 and get an illegal gun. Exactly how has the ban prevented me doing this?

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BottyBurp wrote:
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I find it hard to believe anyone would think banning hand guns is silly.

Because it only really affects law-abiding citizens. I don't think those people who are predisposed to shoot someone have really been put off by the legislation.


Yes, but the legislation makes it harder to get hold of illegal firearms for those who intend to cause harm

OK, so pre-ban, I go into a pub, hand over my £250 and get an illegal gun and go shoot someone. Now, post-ban, I go into same pub, hand over my £250 and get an illegal gun. Exactly how has the ban prevented me doing this?


Can't argue with that. I guess the difference is when you've blown someone's head off you will get a life sentence + six months for not having the licence. :lol:

Ever get the feeling this country is being run by fools? :roll:

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