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You can out forward an argument by all means, but there is no need to be insulting or personal

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

Not just me pal.
The RAC, the AA, the Govt. Office of National Statistics, the WRVS (probably) and the Fancy Rat Society.
We've all got it in for the poor victimised motorist.

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You've not shown it to be the case, nor is there any reason for us to believe that the costs are "artificially surpressed". Would you care to justify and quantify this?

People, who work hard for their money, are perfectly at liberty to spend it however they wish. This does not prevent them from commenting if the costs of their desires spiral.

You've made a leap of assumption that I "run" two cars, go back and read again.

How do you respond, other than with insults and jibes, to the observation that the one set of cherry-picked figures you have unearthed to support your case is somewhat skewed towards a group of motorists who are not 'average'? I indicated to you a couple of posts ago how you could easily and unbiasedly collate figures to answer this question, but you seem reluctant, is it because you fear the truth? If not, why then?

I know, from my personal experience, that the 'real-terms' cost of my motoring, per mile, is rising at a rate above that of inflation. I've never actually 'griped' about it, but that does not mean I am happy about it. Your indignance that anyone should take notice of the increased costs and new charges does nothing to alter reality.

Not so, chump. I fancy spending my hard earned on Colombian coke and pre-pubescent whores. Anyone object to this?
Sure, some drivers are plugged into a 'we're above the law' ethos. But, er, you're not. Sorry to be the one breaking this to you.

If the data of motoring organisations like the AA and RAC don't satisfy you, what would?

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I think it depends if you are on increasing averages earnings or minimum pay or dwindling pension... or if your job re-locates and the council put up the parking to £7.00 a day.

I am happy running my 4 cars. I am grumpy about parking. and having to drive many more miles to reach my destination to avoid the queues and blocked roads. Then there is our missing south coast motorway .
build a road to sweep the M27 across the forest and up to Bristol so I dont have to go to Newbury to get any where.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

What utter rot, and missing the point completely. Owning more than one car is legal. Tough concept for you? Do you have any substantiation for the "artificially surpressed" claim?

The data you produced from the RAC is under the heading of Buying and Selling a car, hence the flaw in considering finance, and first-year depreciation. Just because its from the RAC, does that render you incapable of interpreting it, or questioning it's application in this debate?

'Chump' is yet another example of your utter inability to debate without resorting to ad hominem, a reliable indication of someone with no substance to their case. Try to avoid it, or you simply confirm everyone's suspicions that you are nothing more than a troll.

Yes. I kicked off with it. Over a thirty year period which has seen public transport costs rise by >50% for bus and rail transport, has seen the RPI more than double, the costs of motoring have been pegged back with subsidy from the general taxpayer - whether he drives or not - to 10% less than they were 30 years ago.
What say you express some long overdue gratitude, you greedy selfish moaners?

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You are obviously trying to provoke someone into banning you from the forum. Stick to the argument and stop the name calling. If one of the mods DOES ban you, it will because of the name calling and NOT because of the argument.

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

Well, I too am done debating with you if you cannot refrain from your continued ad hominem, nor rebut any of my extant points without recourse to vitriolic invective. Its another old troll trick, turn everyone off debating with you through your thoroughly unpleasant manner, then try to claim victory.

You're obviously very bitter about something motoring-related, its a shame it has turned you into such an odious little toad.

Do try to have a Merry Christmas, good day to you.

And like that - poof! - they're gone.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

In general I have no problem with people buying as many cars as they want. It's not like they can drive them all simultaneously, is it?

I do object to people who do the above whilst not having the means to park them within the confines of their own property, however. There's an idiot who lives next door to my old man (cul-de-sac), who thinks it's great to plonk his Range Rover across my dad's driveway while his other cars sit in a line up to his front door...

No it wasn't. d'oh!
That someone might think so was an obvious risk of PeterE's woeful moderator decision to lift my post from the thread in which it belonged and use it to start a new thread. Originally it was tucked into the "Testing the limits of civilised behaviour" thread in response to the ridiculous assertion that motorists are somehow justified in behaving like utter fucking morons because they're being financially persecuted by a hostile establishment.
I'll take your apology as read.

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[TiC]

Well with all this money we motorists are saving, we'll be able to driver bigger thirstier cars to feed our addiction to internal combustion.

That just leaves me the decision on the next old Jag for me get.
1) XJR
2) V12


So if motoring is getting cheaper, cyclists and PT users will soon be able to afford cars, problem solved and we motorists can have the cycle and bus lanes back hence easing congestion. [/TiC]

My current car is the first that would cost more than my pushbike to replace.

fatboytim

Point 1;

All of the journies that I do are easier in a car. Even when I go to london on the main line commuter train it would be quicker and easier in the car as I have to get in the car to get to the station.

Point 2;

The nature of a cross country race dictates that you need "country" to "cross". Suprisingly.

Point 3;

When do car pool, just in private cars. A mini bus does about 28 to the gallon, my car does 35. What is the difference between a car with a street pool company on the V5 and a car with my name on the V5? I might as well have it sat on the drive.

Can you point me to this assertion? I believe it was a suggestion, a reason put forward, that may help to explain why motorists 'go off on one'...

And do you really have to use such foul language?

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

glaikie sir,

On the first page of this thread I posted the approximate, but reasonably accurate costs of running my car and the 2 I had before. I note you choose to ingore this when arguing that I'm better off now despite my cost per mile going from 17 to 37 pence per mile.

My £300, 17 year old scooter has seen a slight drop in the price to insure it, but that is because I haven't crashed (safe rider, see!), the Tax disc is still £15 (I think) but parts go up, tyres go up and as you must be aware fuel as increased also.

In March my car was serviced MOT'd and had new brakes. £672 please sir. In October a new exaust pipe was fitted £317 please sir. I have only covered 5,000 miles since march. 1,000 quids worth on maintainance on a very reliable car. That sir is not cheap. I didn't used to spend that for 25,000 miles in 1994

This car is group 7 insurance the one I had before was group 11. This car is consistantly more economical that the one before, but is costing more to run. I don't care about which body with an interest in scuewing the figure to suit their arguement you want to listen to, the only figures I care about are my own and running a car is more expensive than ever.

Yawn.
So you bought a dud and your bills at the mechanics are bigger than you'd like. What of it?
While your personal anecdotes are diverting and very moving it would be a mistake to draw general conclusions from them.
So we won't.

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Bought a dud??? That has never gone wrong...

I don't know if you have ever had to maintain a car sir, but you will find that labour charges are sky high. I seem to remember being charged £13.75/hr in 1991. It now costs £51 for 20 minutes labour to fit an exhaust.

The car I ran in 1995 car 17 pence per mile, fuel is now 13 pence per mile for a car that only uses marginally more fuel.

I have less power, less performance, more economy and more reliablity, lower VED rating and lower insurance and the cost of ownership is higher. Mr G. Brown wipes out savings faster that I can make them. It is easy to say that car A will be cheaper to run than car B, what we can't do is second guess whether or not Mr. G. Brown will stick a big tax shaped spanner in the works to muck up our calculations. There is no other commodity I buy that I have to pay 300% more than it is worth.

No-one's ever had to maintain a car.
Where's the 'ignore' button on this site?

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