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See the European Transport Safety Council's first report on speed:

http://www.etsc.be/documents/Speed%20Mo ... 0final.pdf

And weep. They are playing 'let's pretend' with our lives and our liberty.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

It's like the last few years never happened.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

How very depressing!

I can't understand why KeyMed would be contributing funding to this publication (see foot of last page). They are part of Olympus Optical.

It must be a corporate social responsibility thing.

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Malcolm W.
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Contacts, from the document:

Professor Herman De Croo
Professor Manfred Bandmann
Professor G. Murray Mackay
Professor Pieter van Vollenhoven
Professor Richard Allsop
Paolo Costa
Dirk Sterckx
Dieter-Lebrecht Koch

Dr Jörg Beckmann, Executive director
Antonio Avenoso, Deputy Director
Roberto Cana, Support Officer
Paolo Ferraresi, Financial Officer
Ellen Townsend, Head of Policy
Graziella Jost, Programme Officer
Timmo Janitzek, Policy Officer
Evgueni Pogorelov, Communications Officer
Marco Popolizio, Project Officer
Gabriel Simcic, Project Officer

Perhaps the SafeSpeed campaign could send an email to these people expressing support for their desire to reduce road casualties, but pointing out that focussing limited resources on distracting and skill-dumbing speed enforcement is a failed policy and is NOT the way to achieve this goal. Links and references could be included here.
Then some ponters to more intelligent and effective programs based upon driver education, skill development and effective engineering measures (etc.).

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p.s. I am still absolutely floored by Paul's death. May 2008 be the greatest ever for SafeSpeed. His spirit lives on.

So the DfT's own statistics are hereby totally discredited/disowned/dismissed.
??????

where is that figure from... I'm sure Paul has found from DfT's own research that it is in fact 7%?

The best bit is...



"If we can't find who was speeding, nab the owner - we've got to fine someone"

This lot are Upminster - eight stops beyond Barking.

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Malcolm W.
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The only positive thing I read was the bit about "credible speed limits".

Then I realised they could easily say 20 mph is a credible limit, or 10 mph, so...?


I'm beginning to think a revolution is the only answer. We'll probably follow a lead from France. When they get sick of the government's intervention we'll mirror a figleaf version.

Someone will shoot Brown with a popgun.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

well, i noticed with re: france there were call fors a 30kmp/h limit throughout paris! which is about 16mph isnt it?

Yep, well 18.64114 mph approximately

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

It's an act of pure genius by our normally idiot government. By persuading the rest of Europe to follow our failed road safety policies they will cause Europe to get worse and so the UK will look better until eventually we have the safest roads in Europe again.

Actually, all governments are generally useless. How's this for a story: -


Imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics:

* 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
* 7 have been arrested for fraud
* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks
* 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
* 3 have done time for assault
* 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
* 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
* 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year...



Can you guess which organization this is?



Give up yet?





It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

The same group that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

Think we're any different? I don't.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I wonder what the stats are for the H of C??

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

How about the proportion who have ever had a proper job in the real world?

Approximately 0%!

Interestingly ISTR that (although not everone here is a fan of Maggie) Maggie wanted to be remembered not as the first female PM but the first one with a science degree. Before going into politics she did actually have a proper job as an industrial food chemist!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

The only problem is that iirc her claim to fame on that score was inventing MrWhippy.

Still it could be worse, could have been hydrogenated fats she came up with.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Shame she didn't have a bit more chemistry between the public, or her cabinet for that matter.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I suspect that, with a science background, she didnt really like politicing that much and was more concerned with getting the job done. this would have angererd the more traditional career politicians.

As for the public, I dont recall her losing any elections! Even the "Poll Tax" issue would have blown over come election time if she had stood her ground as votors would have realised that most of the protesters were people who had spent a lifetime living at the public purses expence and that what really pissed them off was the idea that they should actually contribute a bit.

I remember in my own town one family complaning that as a result of the "Poll tax" their rates on their (subsidised) council house had risen from £300PA to £1500PA (the poll tax level at that time was set at just under £300) This sounds bad, but you have to remember that for this to have taken place this house would have had to have 5 adults, all in work, living in it (Unemployed and higher education were IIRC exempt). The household income (in total) must have been in the order of £40-50,000! (Conservativly! It could easily have been a good bit more) They jolly well deserved to be paying £1500! (and probabally a higher rent too) rather than having their satilite/cable TV and whatever subsidised by the rest of us.

(It was very noticable that when the cable companies moved into this area they headed streight for the council estates offering free connection. The posher parts werent even offererd the option of paying for a connection. Even though the cables actually ran through them on their way to the council housing)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

I always thought the concept of a poll tax was so much more sensible than rates, council tax or whatever. People use public services - not property - so all people should pay something towards said services and thus have some "ownership" (management-speak ). They thus take more care of public owned assets and take more interest in how money is spent.

The problem was that the implementation of the system wasn't thought through enough.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.