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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 08:23 
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My Peugeot 307 has a permanently live socket in the back, and the front one goes off with the ignition.
Just as well, as I use a 12 volt cool box in the boot!


Then get a standard trickle charger and put a cigar lighter plug on is and you will be fine. Well worth putting on charge especialy if you only do local mileage and the car stands for days at a time. Especialy in the winter.

The problem with many modern cars is the alarm and immobiliser systems take a lot of current all the time so a week battery or a car that only does very short journies can easily end up with a flat battery in the winter months. Even some aftermarket radios can take a lot of juce on standby.

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Modesty forbids me telling you who runs the company that makes these:

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
My Peugeot 307 has a permanently live socket in the back, and the front one goes off with the ignition.
Just as well, as I use a 12 volt cool box in the boot!


Then get a standard trickle charger and put a cigar lighter plug on is and you will be fine. Well worth putting on charge especialy if you only do local mileage and the car stands for days at a time. Especialy in the winter.

The problem with many modern cars is the alarm and immobiliser systems take a lot of current all the time so a week battery or a car that only does very short journies can easily end up with a flat battery in the winter months. Even some aftermarket radios can take a lot of juce on standby.

Already have one - not that I have had any cause to use it - my mileage is high enough to keep the decent sized battery in good order.
It was more of a precaution for the wifes car - school run only, because if we go out we use mine!
A worthwhile tip for two car families!

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Unfortunately I've managed to give my Peogeot 205 1.7 Junior Diesel (1995) a flat battery by leaving the lights switched on for 2 weeks while I was away! Jump starting from a 1.25 petrol Ford Fiesta with engine switched on doesn't seem to get it started- the revs on the Fiesta drop noticeably when I turn the Peugeot ignition which indicates it's drawing plenty of current. However, I get an audible click noise and the engine doesn't turn- does anyone have any thoughts on what might have happened? Could something have seized up since the engine hasn't been used for a while?

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Unfortunately I've managed to give my Peogeot 205 1.7 Junior Diesel (1995) a flat battery by leaving the lights switched on for 2 weeks while I was away! Jump starting from a 1.25 petrol Ford Fiesta with engine switched on doesn't seem to get it started- the revs on the Fiesta drop noticeably when I turn the Peugeot ignition which indicates it's drawing plenty of current. However, I get an audible click noise and the engine doesn't turn- does anyone have any thoughts on what might have happened? Could something have seized up since the engine hasn't been used for a while?

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It is a good idea to rev the source engine to a few thousand revs to get a current boost when cranking the second car.

Also, your battery being deep discharged would not be accepting charge for a while so you can forget about using that as a short term high power reservoir. In my experience (when someone broke into my car) it takes about 1-2 hours before they can accept a decent amount of current to be of any use.

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However, I get an audible click noise and the engine doesn't turn- does anyone have any thoughts on what might have happened?


A loose battery connection can give exactly this symptom. Worth checking, at least.

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However, I get an audible click noise and the engine doesn't turn- does anyone have any thoughts on what might have happened?


A loose battery connection can give exactly this symptom. Worth checking, at least.



Or a bad jump lead connection - sometimes an easy way to spot this is the lead end getting warm.

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montymaggot wrote:
Unfortunately I've managed to give my Peogeot 205 1.7 Junior Diesel (1995) a flat battery by leaving the lights switched on for 2 weeks while I was away! Jump starting from a 1.25 petrol Ford Fiesta with engine switched on doesn't seem to get it started- the revs on the Fiesta drop noticeably when I turn the Peugeot ignition which indicates it's drawing plenty of current. However, I get an audible click noise and the engine doesn't turn- does anyone have any thoughts on what might have happened? Could something have seized up since the engine hasn't been used for a while?

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Assuming all was well with the electrics when you left it, I suggest all it needs is a longer charge BEFORE you think about turning the key.
If you dont have a trickle charger, can you leave the Fiesta in place for at least 10 minutes? Then when it DOES get started, you need to give it a good long run - preferably in daylight.
If you have the heater on, lights etc., it will take a good deal of running before it is topped up fully. If you cant do this, expect further difficulty during the winter!

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A battery which has been left fully discharged for an extended period can suffer from excessive sulfation of the plates. It can then take a considerable time to break down the "charge barrier" again. The best thing to do with a battery in this state is to put it on a normal battery charger and let in run for several hours.


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