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Parked car.

Passing cyclist to give him enough space

Passing horserider to give enough space und also taking care not to spook the horse


Overtaking a tractor

Ovetaking a milk float

Overtaking a mobility scooter

Overtaking a lawn mower (ride on tractor type grass cutter}

Overtaking a refuse truck which crawl from wheely bin to wheely bin




The solids.. the ?//

You usually find where double whites or it merge with another road .. such as at motorway entrance points at end of slip road. You should not cross these nor should traffic move into lane if the L1 then join some other road quarter mile off this point (M55.. M55 und J34 to M6 und in-laws moan about J13/14 M60 too. here. )

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Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

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So you are happy with rules that give you an advantage even though others may not see it that way, but can pick fault with those that common sense will tell us we should not take absolutely literally if the situation dictates.
Sorry, it still seems a little bizarre to me.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

But Riggers .. all too often .. sigh.. these paint jobs of the broken hatchings. .. they just paint jobs.

They narrow the carriageway. Create congestion.

I have photo of what was an NSL dual carriageway (A57 on approach to Warburton Toll Bridge as taken by Mad Doc's sister Ju-Ju. (She one steady driver by the way. She never ever goes above any speed limit. She IAM trained like rest of us.. but she just drives without exceeding any limit regardless. How she does it? She sets her cruiser und her origin to blip if she ever go over. She say these help her get the discipline as each time her origin bleeped .. she reigned in. Now she used to "feel of the speed" more acutely. Which ist yet another example as to how to use the toys available to us really. But she not enjoy fast or fast fairground rides either. )

But anyway .. back to her photo of A57 which she condemn as "engineered congestion to justify some charging" I have not got this uploaded to our hoster as yet. I will ask her to do so. She better photographer und scanner than Jazz who ist "come day /go day" on this skill. But I have seen her photo. L2 ist hatched with solid white forcing all into one lane. No reason for this at all. It lead to congestion in the area as road space removed. Before this Ju-Ju said there was courteosu zip-merging which meant traffic actually did move, albeit at no more than 20 mph in "peak morning" towards the lights at the junction with the quaint toll bridge.l


Another example... we have a few here .. in Penrith/Kendal/Carlisle - but I think more a 'burb problem than a rural market town problem really. But in the Manchester burbs.. the in-laws tell me that A575 Walkden to border with Farnworth has these hatchings with pedestrian traffic islands. They say more minor scuffles occur there.

They then re-engineered the next section.. revertin back to wide carriageway. They also re-engineered the wide traffic lights where two girls were killed in the drunken DJ incident which Mad Doc reported on at the time it happen. But.. less incidents reported since they returned to sensible road markings und carriage widths here Or at least none reported in press or heard about by the local riff raff belonging to Ted's family


A575? It really now a question of good COAST skills per the in-laws because of now bizarre road engineering experiment. It not actually work.

They are broken hatchings.. but pedestrian islands prevent overtakes or cause incident when drivers do pass a stopped bus there.

If broken lines, clear und zero reason not to overtake something.. then go for it as/when safe und legal to do so.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Away from motorways the following TSRGD diagram applies: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/si/si2002/023113aw.gif - it shows double white line systems with an absolute maximum width of 1200mm.

On Motorways great triangles ('tiger tails') can be designated as unavailable zones. I haven't found the motorway road markings yet.

When LAs put solid borders on shaded sections (away from motorways) wider than 1200mm and I've seen lots - it is not a prescribed sign and has no force in law.

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Paul Smith
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It [solid white line on an area that does not strictly conform] may well provide a technicality for avoiding a wrap, much in the same way that a subntlely incorrect sign is a good technical rebuff against the technical offence of exceeding the intended (but inapplicable) speed limit when otherwise driving safely. However, in the abbsence of a tape measure or ability to judge 1200mm on the road, I think I would tend not to cross an unbroken white line into a hatched area, no matter what its width, unless doing so was to avoid or prevent an accident, whereas for any area that has shading without the solid white line, I would add to the above a visit to the hatched area if I could with certainty do so and get back again without imposition to anyone else, and it offered me material gain.

Absolutely. I only said it might not have 'force of law'. I'd stay out as well, except in an emergency.

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In Worcs and North Wales and many other places there are many thousands of metres of what was NSL Dual carriageway with the Lane 2 hatched off, sometimes with meaningless red tarmac and a white solid border. Sometimes the NSL is reduced to 60 50 or 40. It seems to be inspired by some PC madness. On the A541 Mold Wrexham DC 1400 yards of DC providing useful overtaking opportunities are reduced to 200 yards between such restricted lanes. It seems there is a concept that the Lane 2 must be closed off 440 yards before each central reservation gap.

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Richard Ceen
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I absolutely agree.

How can learning to drive well be any different to learning the rules well? Both can be used to our advantage, and ‘advantage’ is what advanced driving is all about.

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In rule 130 it states that you must not enter an area marked with chevrons and bordered by a solid white line.

There is no mention of an area of diagonal stripes bordered by a solid white line.

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Indeed. It says:



The second bullet point refers to motorway markings only doesn't it?

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Paul Smith
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I have seen chevrons with solid lines used on non-motorways, there are some on roundabout entrances near me.

In general I suppose a solid line is a solid line irrespective of what it bounds.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

I believe that it the intention the road designers have in using them.

Solid lines also separate bus and some cycle lanes. The H/C also says that you must not enter a cycle lane that has solid lines.... but that you can enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload if it is not prohibited. (See rules 140 and 141)

I thought they were police parking bays

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Under this section:

The following diagrams are listed. (This only includes ones which are road markings with white lines going along the road.)
1013.1
1013.3
1013.4
1042 & 1042.1
1045

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Andrew.

Nah, they're marked "Disabled".

They are only disabled after you have nicked the rotor arms or chained the back axle to something solid American Graffiti style.

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Paul Smith
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Also worth bearing in mind - areas of hatching bordered with broken lines mark the areas where the Evil Nail Fairies come out at night and do their Sprinkling Dance. I'm a biker, trust me on this.

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Fatshoutybloke

And the gravel ridge fairies. And the old bits of exhaust fairies. And lots of other fairies.

And I did mention earlier:

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Paul Smith
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Also, I'm pretty certain that using the hatched area as an overtaking lane would not be considered "necessary" if you wiped out, or wiped somebody else out doing it and had to explain what you were doing in the ghost island to a judge in the first place.

Sure, for going round a very slow or parked vehicle perhaps, but not for impatiently roaring round somebody who's signalling to turn left.

Just like you're not supposed to reverese your vehicle for longer than is necessary.

One persons impatient roaring is anothers maintaining momentum...

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Chris