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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:41 
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DON'T turn it off!......'cos it'll say it's OFF if someone rings it......

If it's in a tin it will say something to the effect that it's "unavailable".

In both cases I get:
"It has not been possible to connect your call. Please try again later".


Think it depends on the network, i've certainly rcieved the message "the phone you are calling is switched off" before now.


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DON'T turn it off!......'cos it'll say it's OFF if someone rings it......

If it's in a tin it will say something to the effect that it's "unavailable".

In both cases I get:
"It has not been possible to connect your call. Please try again later".


Think it depends on the network, i've certainly rcieved the message "the phone you are calling is switched off" before now.


Modern phones communicate with the cell when you turn them off. I presume that they say 'bye bye, I'm going off now'.

You can check what your phone does by holding it near a detuned am radio and listening to the bleeps and bloops.

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Modern phones communicate with the cell when you turn them off. I presume that they say 'bye bye, I'm going off now'.


Presumably though, this only applies if you switch them off gracefully via the power button/powerdown menu option/etc, as opposed to simply yanking out the battery... Indeed, on my MDA Pro (and most/all Windows Mobile-based phones), removing the battery is the only way to switch them off completely.

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Indeed, on my MDA Pro (and most/all Windows Mobile-based phones), removing the battery is the only way to switch them off completely.

Yup, the only way (on O2 at least) for the caller to receive the message that the call cannot be connected is to remove the battery.
If you switch the handset off properly, then the caller receives the message that the phone is switched off.


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smeggy wrote:
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..... and take the battery out.

You've been watching too much 24 :lol: although I can't discount the possibility that there could well be at least some truth in it.

I recently read that mobiles could be remotely turned on to transmit whatever the mouthpiece picks up while keeping the display deactivated - so turning it into a neat bugging device!




Well, I've been building antennas for a few decades now, there are many wonderful and varied designs. I find it quite funny that people think that any beam antenna only receives from one direction (and so transmits as well). It is better to say that it "concentrates" the signal from/to the direction it is pointing. Some have quite good gain....in the order of 15 db...or a bit more, but the sidelobes on the "domestic" type can be only 3-5db down on the main lobe, and the front-to-back ratio can be as good as 30db different, or as bad as only a few db. If you want a decent front-to-back and a good gain then you really need a parabolic dish. The problem with aiming a high gain antenna at a cell base is not finding it (they ain't hidden much) but of throwing a thousand watts of power at a close cell base, and also at any others in the beam path....and you also have the problem of reflection from obstacles in the path....and the cell system can still approximate your distance from one base because of the continual handshaking from the system.
As for turning the thing off....not so good if you want to be not found. The majority of mobiles don't actually go off...just a form of standby...some can even be commanded on by the system...

As for the "bug-phone"....I've seen the software around...mobango or some such site.....and also seen the version that enables your phone to be used as a remote video surveillance system !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujosfSkHFrQ

http://www.news.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html


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Yup, the only way (on O2 at least) for the caller to receive the message that the call cannot be connected is to remove the battery.
If you switch the handset off properly, then the caller receives the message that the phone is switched off.

That is if call diversion is not used. If it is , then the phone will switch straight to Voicemail, as it would if you were on the phone. ( least thats on our work O2 network)

That idea of Paul's with AM radio works well with cordless phones too .

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The thing to do is NOT have a mobile phone.

I haven't got one - and I wouldn't have one even if you paid me much fine gold.

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Twister wrote:
SafeSpeed wrote:
Modern phones communicate with the cell when you turn them off. I presume that they say 'bye bye, I'm going off now'.


Presumably though, this only applies if you switch them off gracefully via the power button/powerdown menu option/etc, as opposed to simply yanking out the battery... Indeed, on my MDA Pro (and most/all Windows Mobile-based phones), removing the battery is the only way to switch them off completely.



Yup!..... Done this too Twister! (in the absence of a tin or bacco foil of course).............. :D


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