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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 16:19 
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Calls to ban powerful bikes
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04 September 2007 11:25


MPs have been urged to ‘insist’ Government looks at ‘downsizing’ motorcycles in a letter signed by some of the UK’s most influential road safety groups.

The letter, dated August 1, 2007, says Government should look at placing restrictions on the power, weight and speed of motorcycles. It makes no mention of cars.

It’s signed by holders of senior posts at Transport 2000, Living Streets, RoadPeace, Sustrans, the Road Danger Reduction Forum, the Slower Speeds Initiative, cycling group CTC and the London Cycling Campaign.

It’s addressed to the Transport Select Committee, a group of MPs appointed by the House of Commons to examine Government transport policy. In April the Committee published a reported recommending that Government research the ‘viability of introducing speed limiters on motorcycles’.

A Government response in June said there was no safety or environmental case for such a move.

The letter from road safety groups says the Committee ‘should insist that the government looks again at reducing the permitted weight, power and speed of motorcycles’.

Click here to read the full letter.


As if the bloody government aren't nannying us enough we've got bloody cyclists trying to get rid of us :hoppingmad:

I haven't heard the same call to ban powerful cars. :banghead:

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It’s signed by holders of senior posts at Transport 2000, Living Streets, RoadPeace, Sustrans, the Road Danger Reduction Forum, the Slower Speeds Initiative, cycling group CTC and the London Cycling Campaign.

Ah, the usual suspects then :x

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I haven't heard the same call to ban powerful cars.

I recall LibDim MEP Chris Davies calling recently for cars with a top speed over 100 mph to be banned.

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...signed by some of the UK’s most influential road safety groups.

This really shows what is wrong with road safety in this country.

This is from MCN. The writer should know better words to describe these groups. I can think of a few.

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5 September 2007

BMF WITHDRAWS SUPPORT FOR ROADPEACE

Britain’s largest motorcycling group, the British Motorcyclists Federation, have withdrawn their support from the road safety lobby group RoadPeace.

The move follows the publication of a letter sent by RoadPeace to the House of Commons Transport Select Committee proposing that motorcycles be downsized in ‘weight, power and speed’.

Writing to Amy Aeron-Thomas, Executive Director of RoadPeace, the BMF have cancelled their membership of RoadPeace pointing out that the BMF have previously objected to Roadpeace’s stance on
motorcycle safety, but ‘now that you have attacked motorcycling yet again with ill-conceived and ill-informed arguments, you have driven us to withdraw our support for your organisation’ said BMF
Government Relations Executive Chris Hodder.

Taking issue with the Roadpeace letter, the BMF point out that the majority of motorcycle accidents happen to riders of low-powered motorcycles and scooters with a capacity of less than 125cc. In fact a
2004 Transport Research Laboratory report entitled “The Accident Risk of Motorcyclists” concluded that there was no direct link between engine capacity and accidents.

The RoadPeace letter also claims that there is a high rate of motorcycle accidents involving pedestrians and cyclists, but fail to point out that in absolute terms, the actual numbers are small compared to those
involving other vehicles. Further, they do not say who is to blame. The BMF point out that motorcyclists are at least tested, licensed, registered, taxed and insured, whereas cyclists, and perhaps needless to
say, pedestrians, do not require any form of licensing to use the road.

As most safety practitioners are aware, the vast majority of motorcycle accidents are caused by other road users, by road defects or by poor road design, but the BMF accepts that a significant number are
also caused by inexperience, however, the Government’s Motorcycling Strategy aims to address all these issues by improving road design and training while RoadPeace has remained hostile to the Strategy
from the outset.

The BMF has also objected to the RoadPeace claim that reducing power could reduce pollution. Modern motorcycles produce less CO2 than the new car average say the BMF but more importantly, due
to their ability to make better use of road space, are far more fuel-efficient than other vehicles trapped in heavy traffic congestion.

Commenting, BMF Spokesman Jeff Stone said: “As a responsible motorcycling body, the BMF is represented on numerous transport and road safety committees and joined RoadPeace some years ago in
order to contribute to the road safety debate and help such bodies gain a better understanding of motorcycling iss ues. This is one of those rare cases where it sadly hasn’t worked.”

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PeterE wrote:
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I haven't heard the same call to ban powerful cars.

I recall LibDim MEP Chris Davies calling recently for cars with a top speed over 100 mph to be banned.


Ooops, thanks for reminding me. Shame I have the memory span of a goldfish :roll:

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PeterE wrote:
I recall LibDim MEP Chris Davies calling recently for cars with a top speed over 100 mph to be banned.


That'll be most cars on the road then... :wink:

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This one may not be going away too soon :(

Health warnings for bikes
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By Steve Farrell

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11 September 2007 11:07


Consideration should be given to cigarette-style health warnings for motorcycles, campaign groups have said.


The warnings would contain messages such as: ‘Motorcyclists make up less than 1% of road traffic but suffer around 18% of deaths and serious injuries.’


Paige Mitchell, coordinator of the Slower Speeds Initiative, said warnings should be combined with new regulations limiting the power, weight and speed of motorcycles.

She said: “If health warnings were used to support regulation and make the basis of regulation more intelligible to the consumer, then clearly that would be a good thing.”


Roger Geffen, campaigns and policy manager for CTC, the national cyclists’ organisation, said: “Anything that helps raise awareness - that prompts people think about the risks not only that they’re taking for themselves but imposing on other people - has got to be worth exploring.”

Roger Geffen said stickers on bikes quoting motorcycle casualty figures and warning us to be careful would make a “more helpful message” than stickers telling us to wear crash helmets, which have in the past been placed on bikes by manufacturers.


He said: “If the feeling is that the motorcycle helmet sticker works to influence behaviour, then working to influence the speed at which motorcyclists ride would strike me as a much more important thing to do.”


The Slower Speeds Initiative and CTC were among eight campaign groups to sign a letter to MPs urging them to insist Government look at ‘downsizing’ bikes by limiting power, weight and speed.


Get MCN on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 to see which political party has joined the two groups in their stance on health warnings.


Health warnings on cars and buses too? Doubt it. I stood next to a Suzuki GSXR600 the other day and counted no less than six different warning stickers splashed around the bike placed by the manufacturer.

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FFS why don't these people just go out and buy a dildo or something, they're obviously not getting enough.

Its not news that bikes are dangerous and lets face it, they wouldn't be so much fun if they were 'safe'... :roll:

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FFS why don't these people just go out and buy a dildo or something, they're obviously not getting enough


You owe me a new keyboard :rotfl:

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FFS why don't these people just go out and buy a dildo or something, they're obviously not getting enough


You owe me a new keyboard :rotfl:


Image ?

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How about a ban on full suspension push bikes?
They are heavier than necessary resulting in higher CO2 output and promote riding on and off of kerbs.

Racers - well the name says it all, obviously for cyclists wanting to go fast, better ban those too.
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I have or have had motor bikes, push bikes and cars on the road, have also done some mileage in vans and minibuses, I used to ride horses and even occasionally walk from A to B. I do not think I am particularly unusual in using multiple modes of transport. If there is one thing I have learnt it is that safety is primarily compromised by the person behind the controls not the vehicle they are using. The last thing we need is ignorant do-gooding idiots trying to get restrictions imposed on their least favourite form of transport.

Then of course you know that, I just needed to vent - :steaming ears:

P.S. Except horses, then just maybe you have a partial excuse.

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Over my stone fu**ing cold dead body will I be dictated to regarding my ride's horsepower.


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Over my stone fu**ing cold dead body will I be dictated to regarding my ride's horsepower.

:clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap:

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Over my stone fu**ing cold dead body will I be dictated to regarding my ride's horsepower.

:clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap:


I entirely agree with Gixxer and yourself - and I'm not even a biker. It's the principle of the thing.

Enjoy yourselves while you can and let's keep the killjoys at bay as far as possible. They really are a sickening bunch, are they not?

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The thing that really worries me is, what is going to be the definition of 'powerful' or 'fast'?

My GPZ500 is only something like 50bhp, but even with me on board that works out at something stupid like 200bhp/tonne - it'll out accellerate most standard cars and top about 110mph...

Its only a 500cc FFS and less than 1/3 the power of some of the top bikes on the market today...!

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I thought manufacturers had already been working hard to reduce the weight of motorcycles.

10 years ago avg 1litre sports weight about 200kg dry. modern sports bikes are around 170kg.

I think the worrying thing is that these groups are call 'road safery groups'

Of course 1 group missing is RoSPA - probably realised they'd loose half their members if they signed.


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Of course 1 group missing is RoSPA - probably realised they'd loose half their members if they signed.


More likely they actually thought about it for all of 3 seconds and realised that it won't make the slightest bloody difference.

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TripleS wrote:
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Gixxer wrote:
Over my stone fu**ing cold dead body will I be dictated to regarding my ride's horsepower.

:clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap:


I entirely agree with Gixxer and yourself - and I'm not even a biker. It's the principle of the thing.


Add me to that list. :)

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In reality any power limit will be self imposed. Most riders aren't stupid and bikes that get reputations as widow makers generally don't sell well any more. Suzuki replaced their TLR with an easier to ride SV1000. Honda hardly sold any SP-1s or 2s (the blades better and easier to ride)

triumph's daytona became much more successful when they lowered the power from 145bph on a 955 engine to 125bhp on 675cc engine. Focussing on better handling and better quality. A lot of people want the bike to be comfy, handle predictable and lets face it 120bhp will get you to 160mph quite happily.

what they should have focused attention on was the lack of aids such as abs, traction control, brake assist, which might well have an important part to play. Not to mention a crack down on clothing makers who break eu law by claiming PPE when they've done no testing at all.

I was at a trade show a while back - company based in china selling 1 piece race suits (80 quid RRP 200) - they were made from stretched low grade fashion leather less than 1mm thick. Still claimed EC PPE compliant (the small print - thay had pockets for armour).

I doubt these would have been as strong as denim.


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