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At least you got to make a post before your account was deleted. It is a shame, as we all want the same thing. Michael is clearly visiting this site.
He has allowed an offensive user name to be a member of his Forum.

Michael if we can't discuss it on your site, perhaps we can discuss it here?
I am sure Paul won't delete you account because there maybe a chance you disagree with him.

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Nice idea ree.t, but I don't think dialogue is on the agenda of the Stanley Hill group, instead them seem to want to shout down or censor those who don't subscribe to their exact point of view.

It does make a lie of the suggestion that they too are interested in road safety. Sounds more like NIMBYism to me!

If it makes you feel better I saw your posts.

They seemed like reasonable questions.

I have e-mailed Michael, in an attempt to discuss it all with him.

I find it annoying as my user name on that site was ree.t and I believe yours was RobinXe, it’s not as if we where hiding who we are.

But he will let in user name
paulsmithhasn'taclue

Oh well, I am sure I won't lose sleep.

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I've received an email back from Michael. It seems he was a little leery of our intentions, given the references to CSCP, which I assume he is aware of to some degree. I suppose its understandable if its a one man show; he wouldn't want to be snowed under moderating hoards of mischievious users.

I have assured him that we mean his group no harm, and simply want to put both sides of the story, and perhaps offer some enlightenment in the face of the seemingly insurmountable weight of spin on all matters of road safety.

I would suggest that if he does have reservations about us poting there, and as it seems he is pretty much the only active audience over there anyway, it might be best to hold any discussion here. I certainly have questions about the set of problems faced by his community, and a couple of ideas that might make their roads safer.

The ball is in his court, lets hope his dedication to safer roads for his neighborhood sees him posting here soon.

But then we all know the real identity of the one who use the offensive user name anyway. Not like ist a secret given the same person trolling all over the place.

At the same time as "riding" the pass which claimed Tom Simpson's life


Big ride like that take time to train for. It what those riding the Tour dedicate lives o as professionals after all. But even a leisure ride like that need preparation as it hardest climb.

If the poster with the offensive name the person most likely to be with a user name choice like that - then if forum owner lurk on here - can only advise him to be wary as the person get his kicks by posting abusive invective as norm on any topic and toward anyone who disagree with its view point. I would suggest not bothering to feed it as it has zero concern with the situation on that road und how to improve lot of residents anyway.

On the other hand - we may be anti-automated speed camera but we are 100% pro improving all road user standards und try to at least discuss in a proper manner.

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It really the same as

" We want a speed camera because big lorries are thundering through the village in middle of night at 80 mph"




(Was reported the case for some Welsh village in 2003 regional per Brunstrom PR on topic that "his people support him" )


As for the crawl through the villages on the commutes?

:scratcchin: Well? They must all be locals to area anyway

Perhaps they might do better to campaign for a better bus service

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There's clearly going to to be some legal issues with these people. This chap is recording people then posting them on his website.

Incidentally, I know this hill well and i'm surprised that anyone can 'speed' up there with all the parked cars on the road.


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"Caught on cameras

We use two cameras to monitor the speed of drivers using Stanley Hill: having synchronised their timers, they are placed a precise distance apart at the roadside.

Images of vehicles passing up or down the road are captured on film and their average speed between the two points is determined when the footage is analysed.

Resulting video stills of identifiable, sign-written vehicles exceeding 37 mph are displayed on our gallery page. A polite letter or email is sent to the company concerned asking for their co-operation in reducing the incidence of excess speed on our hill. Because they use the road regularly, local companies are our top priority.

Obviously we can't do anything about private motorists who drive too fast but every commercial vehicle we persuade to observe the speed limit will slow down the traffic behind it. "

I've registered for your forums, but my account awaits activation from an administrator.

I'm always interested in anything that makes the roads safer. Are you?

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I got one fairly innocuous question in an existing thread in; 24 hrs later it's been deleted and I've been banned.

paulsmithhasn'taclue hasn't been banned yet.

Maybe it's posting that gets you banned, because I was registered for a day before I posted.....

if you look in the galleries you can see all the replies sent by companies whose vehicles have been caught speeding.....i dont think anyone on the site has spotted they are standard 'placate the loony' letters

Looks like I've been banned before even posting. I registered over 24 hours ago - still no activation.

Perhaps the people who are arguing the supposed lack of transparency of the SS forums should take their gripe elsewhere!

Most of these would have a tacho on board. I am sure these firms would compare to tachos before taking the vigilante word who are not trained to same standard as the "professionals". (After all this was the excuse used when Brainstrop's 18 year old daughter was copped twice at well above speed limit in Wales )


But in a democratic and educated society - healthy debate looking at each side of the coin with a view to understanding the wider issues helps promote safer behaviour overall. Blinkered reactions and actions which elicit a standard PR response from those firms does not actually serve much purpose. Perhaps just asking a policeman to patrol might be more useful.

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If they are vans they may well have a tacho, but it probably won't be used.
If they are trucks and it is the old type, it won't be easy to read anyway...if it had a card in it....which most don't for local trips.
If it has a digital tacho, then the user smart card will identify the driver and the speed.
However, the digital tacho software can provide you with loads of info...speeds, times and even whether the braking was ok or harsh etc...and there are plans to have an integrated gps on-board soon....so it'll be where and when !

It's not a speed camera, it's a VAS. VAS is a gentle reminder for people who have drifted over the limit to check their speed, without the threat of prosecution. I don't see the problem, even if it is civillian-operated.

The only potential problem is that if the VAS records a large number of vehicles doing over 35mph, the local authority may see sufficient financial justification to put a speed camera there.

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I declare that I don't know the area, and it seems, I wouldn't want to by all accounts......

Perhaps the residents MAY have some genuine concerns, I really don't know. What-ever, one thing is for sure, they aren't willing to discuss it!

On the one hand, there is the evidence of the judgement of many drivers who seem to think that a speed of 40-45 mph is NOT unreasonable (the results seem fairly constant). i.e. if you were to de-restrict the road alltogether........... 40-45 mph would be the average! NOT 60 or 70! Drivers therefore are adjusting their speed.

It would be interesting to see the times of the speeds quoted. Do they reduce when the roads are busy with children? And increase at quiet times? Are drivers therefore reacting to conditions?

I guess we'll NEVER know because: "They know best!"........and they won't discuss it. Sounds like "Mob Rule" to me......

I wonder what people like these thought about the accident in Yorkshire this week involving a school bus...........caused when a child ran into the road!


DIDN'T THE PARENTS OF THE CHILD OR ANY OF THE T2000 BRIGADE TEACH THE CHILD THAT IT WAS DANGEROUS TO DO SO!........


or was it a speeding.........SCHOOL BUS? I despair........

perhaps if any of you were indeed local they might like you to join the discussion.

if i'd started a local scheme (of any kind) with a supporting website i wouldn't be too interested in the opinions of people who only know the area from photos & google earth.

residents, schools, road users & local businesses maybe... but having an influx of road safety idealists (perhaps not the right term?) might not exactly be why the site was set up.

(although if thats the case it should probably say so in the T&C or somesuch)

That's possibly true, but why then did they come here in the first place? Just to stick two fingers up?

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Well, if he really isn’t letting the campaign spokesperson (on whose forum the link was posted) air his view on what is obviously a relevant issue, then I would unreservedly say yes.

If so, that forum administrator’s behaviour is no different from what we have come to expect from those who have vested interests in scameras.

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I didn't have the chance to have my say.

Deleted overnight.

It would seem that Stanley Hill is a somewhat stalinist area.