Hallo Liebchen
ja // Family have read the latest nonsense und cannot decide which they find funniest - twazak's post on this thread or the one he post on a more serious discussion on the Panorama show where reporter lost temper at the 'ology of lah -lah land
I cannot use the right terminology I would love to use as this investigation made me think "Stasi" und you have then to be very careful as to what you say und do
I think Swiss Andreas und his little chums "Dresden Andreas" und UK Andrew und one other we find to our chagrin in his little arsonistic team :laugh: established they are brought up "Roman Catholic"
We all are - und regardless of common sense und cold conclusion as "toppest scientist" - you still want that warm sense of something traditional und in a human admission of its frailty if you like
(I grew up looking up to Cousin Andreas: he ist a right "tinker" (which ist meant as Rhyming slang 
I can say it as he ist family und know me und not be "offended"
Nice ice skater und very controlled in competion.. we did pair once only he too "intense" for me His catches of me "safe" - but I did not enjoy being "thrown by him und had problems landing from his force und it cost us marks in that precise sport which look at skills but at partnerships even more ) Look I know he argue to gold medal standards - I been there und lost with him. Und I only argue with him what everyone else would do
I can only ask twazak to read what he post again und think how nasty he appear to internet world und how he undermine all cyclists by appearing to be such a
nerd with deep psychological issues . He not win people to his cause. On other hand .. und not praising IG .. but I have heard people in our local say they rather like reading this site und never appreciated the skills which make up real cycling before this. Und IG speak from gut.. und he also promote the mags on here too. He post up oppo letters. He say why he agree or disagree with them. He do so in a fair way und he also plug those mags und encourage purchases too.
We encourage cycling und walking but still say driving should be a skill und we should derive greatest pleasure in doing something skilfully und with respect to others.
Hardly anti-cycling then.
Und we criticise numpty drivers in same way as numpty cyclists und for record to spindrift in particular I address this one
I read a report of a really stupid woman who chose to test a car she wished to buy. She drove a car which she was unfamiliar with at a speed which was unsuitable for the road on which she drove. She also wore high heels (it matter not to me whether ride bike in high heels or flip flops ..ro drive car in this sort of footwear. Ist not at all safe st choice und very silly indeed )
But she collided with another und brought about their death. She try to kill herself.... she get spared prison. Bereaved show tacit dignity und woman was beside herself with the guilt.
I do not think person will wish to drive again for longest time. My thoughts are with her as I am far too much aware of this deep guilt on part of decent person who cause death by sheer accident of their own stupidity und lack of judgement
Spinny will despair of course.
I do respect his feelings despite his bile to contrary .. but as a balanced humanist I must see each side - und someone who cause such grief also grieves badly too und a fair society cannot afford to ignore this nature of accident und human grief by all sides after all
I hope spinny understand this point without anger und with the logic I would love to think he capable of
I sure he does really see .und repsect the alternative point of view . but he ist so stubborn
He really a kind of kindred spirit in completely polarised world which also want ultimate road safety.
I hope I get close to you Liebchen here - but I know Paulie could not let you reply as far too much bad blood now. But maybe you can find nice polite und inoffensive way of reply without the malice to me und mine on your fave site
I to offer you a hand of peace here. I would love for you to take it - but perhaps I spit on behalf of my family in Atlantic Ocean again
For record ..I do despair of people who test drive a car with zero skills und wearin high heels or flip flops. I also do despair of people who ride bicycles in similar inapprorpiate footwear.
In my world of very serious regard to safety on the roads - hi-viz lycra, poper vehicle lighting , correct shoes .. gloves /. helmer.. decent goggles.. bikability led doctrine und like in my car seriously COAST led style of drving or cycling.
BUT
however you travel - you respect und work with all others using that road as an equal.
I do try to work to these principles. Und I und rest of my family try to improve the lot for all.
I would love some folk who say they want what I want.. more cops... professionalism.. to stop being so silly und campaign for what 90% really want.. POLICE und not ROBOTS
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) being shown between the Soaps und not a one o' clock in morning after a Panorama repeat 
to the the common sense zone of more or less refined reasoned debate anyway. 
