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Hi guys,

Can speed cameras without road markings still catch me if I'm over the limit? It was a new static gatso, which was erected on my route to work. I think I was possibly flashed on the first day it was places, but their are no road markings? Can I still get caught? It was definately turned on later in the day because I saw two people get flashed by it, but again their were still no road markings.

I'm not sure if I was over the limit, but normally I watch my speed carefully whenever I pass a camera, and I'm a little paranoid about getting 3pts on my licence. I've never been involved in any kind of traffic offence before.

Thanks

I think they are superimposed aferwards ?

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But dont they use the road markings to judge your speed? I always thought they needed those markings to work out your exact speed. I'm praying and hoping the camera wasnt fully operational as the markings were't present. I'll be passing it again shortly so I'll take a careful look to see if their are any kinds of markings on the road.

Fixed gatsos (radar based speed meters) require the lines for a corroborative measurement (that’s what the two photos are for) because radar sensors can be fooled easily. The deduced speed from the photos must match the reading from the radar sensor otherwise the prosecution is invalid.

This is assuming the camera was indeed a gatso, or truvelo.

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Well I think I have the worst luck in the world.
I took my normal route to work and was thinking about my potential 3pts...

Then i realise what's down the road... a mobile speed camera van.
I was doing 40 max, but it was a 30 zone (i think).

So now i've either got 3 or 6pts...
I've gone from a clean licence to this within 3 days.

I'm gutted.

OR,

You might have the best luck in the world.

There's a chance that your speedo might be over-reading enough to put you under the trigger threshold of the camera van (usually a true 35, so your speedo would likely reading 36-38 at that speed). You’re gonna have to keep your fingers crossed for 14 more days I’m afraid!

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Yeah I guess so, I've gotta sweat it out twice now!

Anyway, back to my first post.
The speed camera is definately a Gatso, but has no road markings!

If you get an NiP for that, then demand the photos so that your expert witness can check and calculate your speed as you don't believe you were speeding. Indicate that you will be contesting the allegations.
Also, when sending back the NiP naming yourself, use the 'PACE' defence as well.
Go straight to 'PEPIPOO' young man, do not pas 'GO' and certainly do not pay any £60's to the Scammers!

Thanks for the advice. I've been over to PePiPoo and found the PACE defence, but what actually is it? I don't think I understand it correctly! Can anyone explain it in laymans terms please? Thanks in advance.

The way I understand you are giving the police the driver ID info they want.

without filling and signing in their NiP, which if you did would be a confession of guilt.

I understand the PACE letter is not admissable as a confession, so they can't use it in court.

Ergo you have ID'd the driver, but in a way they cant use against as you have not been cautioned by a police officer.

I could be completely wrong, but thats the way I understand it.

To PEPIPOO asap.

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One town i used to visit in the early days of cameras used to paint the markings on the pavement kerb - very difficult to see ,especially when the rest painted them on the road- not there are they ??

I'll double check tonight, but their appear to be no markings at all!

If you can confirm that the camera is a gatso, then no road markings means they can't do you, chances are they will be painted soon, are there roadworks at the moment? I think you're safe on this one, and if not it will be easy to defend yourself.


As for the PACE letter, it works like this.

Normally the SCP send you a NIP, and a "Section 172" request requiring you to identify the driver at the time of the offence. Failure to do this is an offence under Section 172 of the road traffic act. They then use this as evidence in court to prosecute you for speeding (unless you take the "easy" 3points/£60 option. The penalty for failing to identify the driver is pretty much the same as for speeding, only it has to go to court.

The PACE letter is basically a letter admitting that you were the driver but you do so in such a way that renders the letter inadmissable as evidence to the court. This means that they cannot prosecute you under S172 (as you have identified the driver) nor can they prosecute you for speeding (as they cannot prove to the court that you were the driver)

They'll still try though, so expect to have to defend yourself in court.

Yes I've just passed it again and I'm 90% sure it's a Gatso. When I pass it in the morning I'm going to park up and confirm it. Their are definately no markings on the road. Their are no road works near the camera either, but it was only erected in the past 7 days - which is why i suspect I may have been caught out by it.

try this site ----shows pics of most types of cam

Yep I stopped and checked it this morning. It says GATSO on it, it's definately a GATSO. So with that in mind, a GATSO can't catch me if it has no road markings can it?

Not an unattended (fixed) one. Let us know if the SCP tries it on.

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The lines were painted on over the weekend, so I'm sure I wont get a ticket now. Or if i do, it won't be valid as they can't double check the speed. =D