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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:41 
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This week's CW highlights the problems of cycling in London.

Ken Livingstone appears to think that three days of Le Tour will inspire thousands to take to a bicycle. He has set a "target" 400% increase of cyclisits in London by 2026. (Methinks the Kengestion charge will go up.. pity this cash is not used to .. er.. surface these broken roads down there :roll: :shock:)

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can it be true that London with its badly cut-up potholed roads is becoming cycling friendly? If you've seen the TV commericals promoting cycling in London.. you might believe it.


I gather this focuses on a network of cycle lanes and route guides.. which have mixed reactions from the London cyclists with some feeling safer and others still saying "them cars are too fast innit!" :roll: (I wish the so-called educated or "edukayshunned" :wink: troll would talk proper :wink: :popcorn: )


CW's Keith Bingham wrote:

But in reality .. the illusion that London is a "cycling city" lasts as long as it takes to pedal from Blackfriars Bridge from the south to north bank.

Peter Hendy (TfL transport commissioner) flagged Blackfriars Bridge as a top cyclign amenity. Keith Bingham asked him if London .. in promoting cycling on the back of Le Tour in July - would be putting his money where his mouth is and launching a showpiece of cycling development.

To which Mr Hendy replied that the priority is to complete London's 900km London Cycle Network which ducks and dives down back streets


Actually I think that could be more fun to ride :twisted:... but they want to take over the roads completely :roll:


:? :shock: :o :o :shock: :?
32 million cyclists jostling for position on Britain's roads :yikes: I fear more than "stinkfingers and a bit of :censored: swearing will figure in road rage. :shock: (Certainly if the on-line attitudes by some feature in their daily commuting lives :popcorn:


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As far as eye-catching schemes go.. Blackfriars Bridge is as good as it gets and won a London Cycling Campaign Award last year. Sadly it took the death of a cyclist on this bridge to fast track this improvement. (The is a photo of a nice wide cycle lane and ample lanes for traffic - and it's a dual carriageway too :wink:

They engineered out a denagerous left hand filter which was a "nightmare to cyclists wishing to carry straight on.

But once off the bridge.. the lane narrows to the normal one metre wide affair and cyclists are then exposed to fast traffic on the Embankment.

The engineers think they "know it all" :roll: and either ignore cycling design guidelines and produce appallingly awful cycling facilities



We all know of daft cycle lanes :banghead: but we have here a call for more and better lanes on the one hand and some bloke on acf purporting to be from the CTC and claiming to do "big rides" not wanting cycle lanes at all...and apparently wants no cars just bikes. :popcorn:

What is needed are decent and meaningful lanes for cyclists (not a daub of pastel paints :furious: ) and Keith Bingham's piece certainly reads that he wants wide lanes which segregate cyclists from the traffic.. which is radically different from the C+ posters points of views on this rather thorny subject. :popcorn:

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The engineers have got TfL over a bollard.

TfL is only in charge of 5% of London's roads. The rest are under the control of the 32 London Boroughs. Barnet has taken out bus lanes .. Westminster does very little for cyclists.. and Ealing (which has a vibrant policy) is being hit with a row over funding with the TfL :roll:

Cycle parking facilities are abysmal at major stations too. Network Rail said it was keen to provide cycle parking facilities as it recognised the benefits of promoting integrated cycling/train travelling modes .. but it was all hot air. Network Rail has done nothing.. with Finsbury Park being the only exception :roll:

Businesses are also failing to provide facilities for parking bicycles.



An envisaged 1.5 million bicycle journeys per day in London alone .. with the best will in the world - it takes up rather a lot of space.. which we do not have. Perhaps the cyclists of the future will still have to use the Park and Rides to avoid bicycle congestion in the City Centres! :wink: :popcorn:


I know how much space our bikes take up in our garage :wink: (I have a rather large garage.. I think I bought the house based on the size of its garage :lol: as my cars and bicycles need to be tucked up in bed after all :wink: in their own room with all their associated "toys" :lol: I think I spent too much time with the Swiss rascals as a lad :lol: )

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There has been a downside to the congestion charge. Cyclists complain that fewer cars has led to traffic speeding up :popcorn: They did not widen the cycle lanes



But.. they won't whilst the CTC "renta mouthpiece" on a cycling forum keep blathering on that they do not want them :popcorn:

but the piece asks why UK lags behind mainland Europe on providing safe havens (as in segregated cycle lanes :wink:

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Per Tom Bogdanowicz of the LCC:

"The TfL are good at paperwork and not doing. They should be giving cycling the same priority as they gave the buses


Public transport should get priority actually. Not everyone wants to ride a bike and not everyone wants to drive a car .. and some people may not even be fit enough to ride anyway.. or just do not like the sensation of riding. Some folk just don't and we have to cater for these people's need to get from A to B in any case. So the priority towards funding a workable and efficient public transport system which can match the rest of Europe in terms of convenience and price has to be a big priority :roll:

Forcing people to ride bicycles is not the way forward nor is ramming cycling down people's throats as the "only green alternative". It is not as green as people are being led to believe if you take manufacture and retail into account. :wink: (not to mention that Bristol University research into the farting effects of intense lentil consumption :hehe:) There are then some opportunity and other costs to the planet on that basis :wink:

It is not chucking cold water on a cycling iniatiative or being "anti cycling" as indeed - people should be encouraged to try it and be smitten. But any campaign - including an anti or even pro speed camera one - needs to keep a grip on reality and the effects on real people :wink:

Keith Bingham asked the LCC campaigns manager what he would like the Mayor of London to do for cyclists as a way of promoting cycling/

Mr Bogdanowicz wrote:

Bring in a blanket 20 mph speed limit in London


:roll:


But then if this were brought in ... then perhaps it must be enforced rigidly for the 1.5 million extra cyclists who will flock out in lycra as a result of all this :popcorn:

After all.. there was rather a lot of commotion over police enforcing a 20 mph limit for cyclists as well as drivers through a London Park not so long ago. :popcorn:

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David Brown MD Surface Transport for London has written to CW over this piece

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Far from the gloomy picture you paint - London is actually leading the renaissance of cycling in the UK

But we also have to be realistic: London can never have perfect segregated cycle routes because the narrow roads would not allow it; and in a major world city you are going to have to share road space with buses, taxis and cars. Buses are equipped to transport large volumes of people. But the transformation of London over the past 6 years to a city where it is now normal to see people on bicycles is phenomenal. We have seen a 70-% increase in cycling here and on many routes we now see queues of cyclists where previously there were just a few


Hmmm. Bicycle jams would seem to be the congestion of the future then :popcorn: Best to keep the choices open and live and negotiate with those who like motorised forms of transport after all then :wink: :boxedin: :popcorn:

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The reason for this has been an increase in funding for cycling. We have had a 500% increase in cycling directly since 2000. Inidrect measures are still important - the 280 km of bus lanes now provide London's cycling arteries, providing safe, fast routes around the city and the congestion charging has made London more cycle friendly - with people even parking up at the Park/Rides and cycling the rest of the way.

This is why other cities are now looking at London's example/.

There are still things to do.. such as the complettion of the 900 kim London Cycle net work across the capital and our continued programme of cycle training for children and adults alike.. to name but two of our major projects for which we are increasing funding. But life is getting better for cycllists and more take to their bikes each week.




But ... what about the bicycle jams and the jostling for position when 100% plus visitors start riding around. :popcorn:


CW editorial is not convinced by this letter. They reply that they have requested proof in facts and figures three times and received no response to their FOI requests... and no reply to a request for an interview with Mayor Kengestion.

I still say that people should have choices between decent and affordable public transport - similar to the levels I recall in my boyhood whereby a bus came each half hour .. and fares were within reason. Those buses were always well used too. We also need improvements to the train services too - as well as decent cycling facilties for those who prefer this mode of transport. And people should also be able to use their cars to get to and from work in these days of the long haul commutes as well. Not all of us can cram into town centres or find a home within walking distance of the work place/bus stop or station or even within reasoned cycling distance of say 15 mile radius.

Thus ... we need a full range of choices - and yes - Durham has had a congestion charge for some time. But the city invested in strategic Park/Ride and other facilities before implementing this decision - taken to protect our Cathedral and olde worlde centre and keep traffic down to necessity levels.

In fact - I think we had this BEFORE London :P :P :P

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Per Ken in a PR speech as he unveiled a TV campaign with a subtle hint to use cycle lanes :wink: :hehe:


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:listenup: You're better off by bike and shows the flattened white bike which depicts a cycling lane :wink: upright and floating along the cycle lanes


cycling in London has increased by 80% since 2000. Ken was full of his investment of £36 million which will be used to build more cycle lanes (which CTC more military zealots apparently don't want :hehe:) , training, parking facilities and various "events"

But CW are concerned: Ken did not mention any of the safety issues they highlighted in above post. The perception of danger remains - and they say there should be better controls at junctions and more space for cyclists.

According to Ken.. his £36 m will be used to do this - as in more cycle lanes :wink: and his green adviser said that any future road engineering will consider cycling at planning stages and not as an "add on" as an afterthought :wink:

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